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21:42 < mst> Bender: do you trust mst?
21:42 < mst> damn
22:15 <@Penguin> ENOBENDER
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23:17 < jrockway> heh, that should have been a SIGBENDER
23:18 < mst> SIGGIRDER, arguably
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03:26 <@Penguin> OMGWTFBBQ
03:26 <@Penguin> All tests successful, 2 tests skipped.
03:26 <@Penguin> Files=7, Tests=98,  9 wallclock secs ( 6.60 cusr +  0.17 csys =  6.77 CPU)
03:26 <@Penguin> :-D
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08:58 < konobi> so how's reaction coming along?
08:58 <@mst> no bad
08:58 <@mst> listview now has auto-CSV
08:58 <@mst> there's still a metric fucktonne of stuff to do
08:58 <@mst> but we've got enough to implement the current project, pretty much
08:59 <@mst> so not much is gonna get added now until that's done
08:59 <@mst> well, or until I get a day spare to do crazy things for fun :)
08:59 < kaare> auto-CSV?
09:00 <@mst> page/with/a/listview/on/it/?listviewid:export_to_csv=1
09:00 <@mst> presto, CSV file for the full data of the listview
09:00 < kaare> Ah.
09:00 <@mst> well, after my next commit anyway
09:00 <@mst> refactored listview somewhat in the process so I wanna beat it up against this app first
09:05 < kaare> I'm sorry I haven't have the time to follow up on last week's test. I think I got stranded on the 1:many again and the proposed refactoring of the DBIC classes.
09:05 <@mst> yeah
09:05 <@mst> be fine
09:13 < konobi> mst: what type of app is the current project?
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13:00 <@Penguin> konobi: some kind of spawn of chaos :P
13:00 <@mst> morning
13:00 <@Penguin> morning
13:01 <@Penguin> with a reasonable margin of error :)
13:12 <@Penguin> well reaction still passes all it's tests :)
13:12 <@Penguin> mst++
13:12 <@Penguin> brb # food
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21:14 < petey> thanks for releasing reaction
21:14 < petey> it appears to be exactly what I was going to be writing next :)
21:16 <@mst> excellent
21:17 <@mst> that hopefully means you can help doc it :)
21:18 < ash> i really should try just making a reaction app and see if i can work out what its doing thatway
21:18 < ash> since i've got a vauge idea
21:42  * petey considers a self-documenting joke, but thinks better of it
21:43 <@mst> petey: via metamodel reflection
21:43 <@mst> petey: yeah, been thinking about that
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14:39  * Penguin woos that exporting to CSV now works properly in reaction
14:39 <@mst> it already worked properly!
14:39 <@mst> it was just the bit that prepared the data to export to CSV that was broken :P
14:40 <@Penguin> :-P
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02:45 < t0m> heyall. Dumb question - I get 'Can't call method "search" on an undefined value' in UI::ViewPort::ListView - what have I forgotten in the thing I just added to my app as I can't see it?
02:49 <@mst> did you hand it a collection that's a valid DBIC $rs ?
02:50 -!- mode/#reaction [+ooo ank jwang ningu] by Penguin
02:51 < t0m> Well, it should be.. I added a new table in DBIC, and a new controller and added it to the actionreflector. I'm missing something real dumb.. It's a simple users -> domains mapping.. I have a domains table and a users table with a domain_id..
02:52 <@mst> shadowpaste me some code
02:52 < t0m> I can do better than that, it's all in svn at: http://www.bobtfish.net/svn/repos/branches/reaction/
02:53 < t0m> have a browse if you're prepared to waste time telling me how I'm dumb ;)
02:53 <@mst> ok, but which action in which controller :)
02:54 < t0m> The domains controller, list action blows up with above error.
02:55 < t0m> nvm.
02:55 < t0m> I think I got it by explaining it.
02:56 <@mst> you've pointed it at TestDB
02:56 <@mst> but the Domains stuff is in c0re
02:56 < t0m> <sigh> yeah, I just noticed >_<.
02:56 < t0m> I wish I got time to hack my own foo that wasn't 3am ;)
02:57 <@mst> no comment :)
02:57 <@Penguin> 'tis early!
02:57 < t0m> cheers, as always guys :) You're even starting to get documentation..
02:57 <@mst> dribs and drabs :)
02:58 <@Penguin> :P
02:58  * t0m nods... It's an even bet on you having decent docs and me having enough time to work out how it actually works by playing ;) I'd probably put the money on docs arriving 1st..
02:59 <@mst> hehehe
03:01 <@mst> t0m: all listviews can now export their full data to CSV now too :)
03:04 < t0m> cute :) I'm building an interface for postfix virtual mail hosting (with all the postfix map tables in SQL, obviously)..
03:07 <@mst> nice :)
03:07 < t0m> will be if/when I get there.. But it's probably gonna be concurrent with the 2nd coming..
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03:53 < konobi> you can get postfix to do that sort of shite? hhhmmm... ack well... exim makes it easy for me
03:55 <@mst> yeah
03:55 <@mst> and postfix still involves SASL
03:55 <@mst> I FUCKING HATE SASL
03:59 <@ningu> what's SASL?
04:21 <@Penguin> http://asg.web.cmu.edu/sasl/
04:21 <@mst> ningu: doom. except with different letters.
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15:32 < jguenther> hallo #reaction
15:32 < jguenther> anything new while I've been hibernating?
15:32 < mst> CSV export
15:32 < mst> time range controls
15:33 < mst> assorted tweaks and fixes
15:33 < jguenther> cool
15:34 < jguenther> one thing I still haven't figured out -- how do I add a stylesheet to be added in the base/xhtml template?
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16:04 < jguenther> mst: are stylesheets implemented or is that just a placeholder in root/base/xhtml
16:16 <@Penguin> placeholder
16:16 <@Penguin> I just have:    <link rel="stylesheet" href="[% ctx.uri_for('/style', ctx.view.Stylesheet) %]" />  or something to link to it
16:17 <@Penguin> it is of course possible to use TT to make the CSS based on a database or whatnot for on the fly chandes
16:18 < jguenther> don't really need on the fly changes
16:18 < jguenther> so do i modify the base/xhtml template?
16:18 <@Penguin> aye
16:18 < jguenther> ok
16:18 <@Penguin> or subclass it
16:18  * Penguin lookies
16:19 <@Penguin> actually it looks like it has:
16:19 <@Penguin> [%- FOREACH stylesheet IN stylesheets; -%]
16:19 <@Penguin>   <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="[% c.uri_for('/stylesheets', stylesheet) %]" />
16:19 <@Penguin>   [%- END; -%]
16:19 < jguenther> oh god
16:19  * Penguin wonders if that should be ctx.stash.stylesheets to you can just stick a value in the stash or something
16:19 < jguenther> do i just need to define the stylesheets array?
16:19 < jguenther> inside xhtml
16:19 <@Penguin> should work
16:20 < jguenther> oh yeah, i thought that's what would happen automatically
16:20 < jguenther> maybe i'm too used to mason
16:20 <@Penguin> I do admit for my current project using automatically I utterly changed that template :P
16:20 < jguenther> i tried adding stash->{stylesheets} but no worky
16:20  * Penguin has never used mason
16:20 <@Penguin> [%- FOREACH stylesheet IN ctx.stash.stylesheets; -%]   should fix that if you wanna do it th at way
16:21 < jguenther> you'd think so
16:21 < jguenther> hehe
16:21 <@Penguin> :-P
16:22 <@Penguin> anyhoo, I gotta go, not eaten for 18 hours :P will bbl
16:22 < jguenther> kk
16:22 < jguenther> hm, maybe it'd be better as config.stylesheets
16:26 < jguenther> ah, there we go
16:26 < jguenther> i keep mixing c with ctx
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17:24 <@Penguin> back
17:24 <@Penguin> doh :P
17:32 < mst> jguenther: don't modify base/xhtml
17:32 < mst> jguenther: create an xhmtl template
17:32 < mst> jguenther: that's why they're all in base :)
17:33 < jguenther> mst: meaning modify the base/xhtml and save it as root/xhtml? and then use that?
17:33 < jguenther> or somehow subclass... ack, all this TT stuff is confusing me still
17:34 < mst> yes, root/xhtml will override root/base/xhtml
17:34 < mst> and you can PROCESS base/xhtml to subclass if you want
17:34 < jguenther> ah, cool
17:34 < jguenther> how does template subclassing work, exactly?
17:35 < jguenther> i.e. what's the relationship between the base template and the subclass? subclass is encapsulated by the base? or..
17:36 < jshirley> mst: what are the chances/timeline for getting a simple addressbook reaction app bootstrapped?  I can try to finish it off given a base to start with.
17:36 < jshirley> Since it would be a good advent entry, I don't think I should start it... I would do it wrong :)
17:38 < jguenther> also do i need to do something to get Reaction to use root/xhtml instead of root/base/xhtml? it doesn't seem to use it by default
17:38 <@Penguin> <jguenther> mst: meaning modify the base/xhtml and save it as root/xhtml? and then use that? <-- that's what I assumed you meant when  you said modify it btw :)
17:39 < jguenther> :p
17:39 <@Penguin> <jguenther> how does template subclassing work, exactly?  <-- templates are split into BLOCKS, block names are held in variables. So there'd be a main_control (or something) var which holds the main of the main block
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17:39 <@Penguin> so with one file, it's simple
17:40 <@Penguin> with two files, and one file which PROCESSes the other, you can change the value of the var t o change which main block is used, but the 2nd file will still use the other unchanged blocks from the first file
17:40 <@Penguin> if that makes sense?
17:40 < jguenther> ahhh, yes i think so
17:41 <@Penguin> for my production app I tend to have root/base being a symlink to reaction's code, and lib/Reaction being a symlink too. You may need to change the options in the  View fo what paths it uses
17:41 < jguenther> so it's similar to having FILE1 define $var = 'foo' and FILE2 includes FILE1 but overrides $var = 'bar'?
17:41 <@Penguin> basically
17:41 < jguenther> i apologize if you've already explained this to me ;)
17:42 <@Penguin> then in the code it would include( 'var' );
17:42 <@Penguin> include() is a MACRO we wrote which replaces INCLUDE in that instance, to provide _slightly_ better error handling
17:42 <@Penguin> I apologise for not writing it down sanely and making it into docs :)
17:42 < jguenther> hehe, i've been meaning to but ENOTIME and all that
17:42 <@Penguin> indeed :(
17:43 <@Penguin> tstrapped?  I can try to finish it off given a base to start with. <-- I like this idea
17:43 <@Penguin> er
17:43 <@Penguin> jshirley: <-- I like the address book idea :
17:44 < jguenther> yeah that would be a huuuuuge help
17:44 < jguenther> docs are great but give me an example app and i'm happy
17:44 < jshirley> Well, whoever wants to start it let me know.
17:44  * jguenther shuts up before he volunteers himself
17:44 < jshirley> My wife is nagging me to build an address book right now, so I can allocate some time.
17:44 < jguenther> yeah it's on the TODO list
17:44 < jshirley> I just want someone who has a good handle on Reaction to start it.  I'm not there.
17:45  * Penguin shuts up before he volunteers too when he still has deadlinse from august which aren't met :P
17:45 < jshirley> Ouch, from August...
17:45 <@Penguin> jshirley: you able to make the db schema at least for now? and add on moosey bits?
17:45  * Penguin sheds a tear
17:45 < jguenther> Penguin: so, in my root/xhtml I [% include( 'base/xhtml' ) then I define [% BLOCK xhtml_main %] ?
17:45 < jshirley> Penguin: it's the Moosey bits that I'm sure I would fuck up.
17:46 <@Penguin> include() is for the var names, not the filenames
17:46 < jshirley> But as far as a flat schema, that isn't a problem.
17:46 < jguenther> INCLUDE then
17:46 <@Penguin> PROCESS filename
17:46 < jguenther> argh
17:46 < jguenther> haha
17:46 <@Penguin> PROCESS is like use;  - just pretend that :)
17:46 < jguenther> close enough
17:46 <@Penguin> jshirley: right, ok... you make the dbic schema, and I'll explain adding moose bits to you :)
17:47 <@Penguin> jshirley: I suggest glancing at the moose type constraint docs and moose in general if you haven't alreay :P
17:47 < jshirley> Penguin: I have glanced, but I haven't had enough time to really sit down and go through them so they make practical sense.
17:47 < jshirley> I'd have to play with them to figure it out.
17:47 < jguenther> so the most basic empty file would be [% PROCESS base/xhtml %][%BLOCK xhtml_main %][% END %] ?
17:47 <@Penguin> jguenther: PROCESS filename, INCLUDE blockname, include ( 'varname');
17:47 <@Penguin> better, yes
17:47 < jshirley> Penguin: so, s'ok to just create some "legacy" DBIx classes and we can go through Moosifying them?
17:47 <@Penguin> jshirley: aye
17:48 < jguenther> that would be good to have in a tutorial
17:48 < jshirley> k, cool.
17:48 < jguenther> how to go from a DBIC schema to a Reaction thingamajig
17:48 <@Penguin> someone should be noting down things mst and I say then :)
17:48 < mst> err, the t/lib/RTest/TestDB stuff is basically an example of that
17:49 <@Penguin> mst: that's more finished code than step by step info for someone with no moose experience though
17:49 < jguenther> it is, but it doesn't do anything with the templates
17:49 <@Penguin> jguenther: think that was to jshirley
17:49 < jguenther> I know
17:50 <@Penguin> root/bar_form and root/bar_list demonstrate simple subclassing of templates
17:50 < jguenther> I think a complete example would be very useful
17:50  * Penguin nods
17:50 <@Penguin> ENOTIME
17:50 < jguenther> yeah :(
17:51 < jguenther> root/bar_list
17:51 < jguenther> good stuff, never noticed this file before
17:51  * jguenther &  #lunch
17:51 <@Penguin> but as more people learn about it, more people to help
17:51  * Penguin wrote that :P
17:51 < jshirley> mst: transition to Moose is very daunting.  It is a big divergence from what is typically known, lots of assumptions to drop, etc.  It is something I haven't done simply because I felt the learning curve to use it effectively wasn't worth it ATM.
17:51 < jshirley> So... I'm happy to help learn and document things in a step-by-step way
17:51 <@Penguin> jshirley++
17:52 <@Penguin> feel free to idle in #moose btw :) though can't promise it'll actually help :P
17:52  * Penguin only looked at moose at all due to reaction really
17:53  * jshirley adds another channel to idle in
17:54 <@Penguin> :)
17:55 -!- mode/#reaction [+ooo ank jguenther jshirley] by Penguin
17:55 -!- mode/#reaction [+o jwang] by Penguin
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17:55  * Penguin spreads the, erm, love
17:55  * jshirley feels dirty.
17:57 <@Penguin> :P
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21:25 <@jguenther> do i have to name my customized version of base/xhtml something other than xhtml? the base/xhtml is being used and I can't seem to get the root/xhtml template to be used
21:25 <@jguenther> I have layout => xhtml in my code
21:32 <@jguenther> :(
21:32 <@jguenther> <mst> yes, root/xhtml will override root/base/xhtml
21:33 <@jguenther> ^-- this doesn't seem to be the case
21:33 <@jguenther> or is it just me?
21:42 <@Penguin> have you set INCLUDE_PATH in your TT config?
21:43 <@jguenther> not sure, where would the TT config be?
21:43 <@jguenther> :P
21:43 <@Penguin> $self->push_viewport(ViewPort, layout => 'xhtml');  should be sufficient to use the new xhtml file
21:43 <@Penguin> er, in the View probably
21:43 <@jguenther> ah, ok
21:43 <@jguenther> 1 sec
21:43  * Penguin forgets what the default it
21:43 <@jguenther> excuse the ignorance
21:43 <@jguenther> ok, no INCLUDE_PATH defined
21:43 <@Penguin> INCLUDE_PATH => [ CMS::Web->path_to('root'),
21:43 <@Penguin>                       CMS::Web->path_to('root/base') ],
21:44 <@Penguin> or something
21:44 <@Penguin> maybe
21:44 <@jguenther> $config->{TT}{INCLUDE_PATH} ?
21:45 <@Penguin> er, maybe
21:46 <@Penguin> :P
21:46 <@jguenther> :(
21:46 <@jguenther> no dice
21:46 <@Penguin> I just have it as:
21:46 <@Penguin> __PACKAGE__->config(
21:46 <@Penguin> bleh
21:46 <@Penguin> );
21:46 <@jguenther> I tried __package__->config in my view
21:46 <@Penguin> in the View itself
21:46 <@jguenther> haha
21:46 <@Penguin> :P
21:46 <@jguenther> sigh
21:46 <@jguenther> it must be a thursday
21:46 <@jguenther> i could never get the hang of thursdays
21:46 <@Penguin> I could never get the hang of
21:46 <@Penguin> damn you!
21:46 <@jguenther> :)
21:47 <@Penguin> :P
21:47 <@Penguin> shadowpaste your root/xhtml ?
21:48 <@jguenther> I don't think that's the problem, I tried making it gibberish but I never get any errors
21:49 <@jguenther> it's just taking root/base/xhtml
21:49 <@jguenther> you're sure you're using __PACKAGE__->config( INCLUDE_PATH => 'blah' )?
21:50 <@Penguin> oh, do have: main_block = 'xhtml_main';  ?
21:50 <@Penguin> or similar
21:50 <@Penguin> aye
21:50 <@Penguin> (not sure it's that which is making the magic happen mind :P)
21:51 <@jguenther> hmm
21:52 <@jguenther> shadowpaste?
21:52 <@jguenther> grr
21:52 <@Penguin> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/
21:52 <@jguenther> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5104
21:52 <@Penguin> hang on
21:52 <@jguenther> there's a Dumper( __PACKAGE__->config )
21:52 <@jguenther> that looks about right
21:52 <@Penguin> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5105 <-- from an app in production
21:53 <@Penguin> hrm
21:54 <@Penguin> ( /whois shadowpaste is my friend )
21:55 <@jguenther> hehe
21:56 <@jguenther> god I hate this error
21:56 <@Penguin> don't suppose your code is in a handy repo somewhere or such? :P
21:56 <@jguenther> file error - component: not found
21:56 <@Penguin> ahh, I know your pain
21:56 <@Penguin> :(
21:57 <@jguenther> I'll shadowpaste my xhtml
21:57 <@Penguin> most widgets subclass component, and so all of those make component b0rk :-S
21:57 <@Penguin> k
21:57 <@jguenther> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5106
21:57 <@jguenther> probably a dumb syntax error
21:57  * Penguin lookies
21:58 <@Penguin> http://3ec.us/creatingfun/imgs/pon
21:58 <@Penguin> doh, wrong url :P
21:58 <@jguenther> GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
21:58 <@jguenther> hurr so why doesn't Reaction know that when I save the file as /code/Reaction/root/xhtml I meant /code/SaskSAGE/root/xhtml
21:58 <@jguenther> :(
21:58 <@jguenther> haha
21:58 <@Penguin> :P
21:58 <@jguenther> I so ashame
21:59 <@Penguin> well as I think I mentioned before... my actual app is elsewhere, with symlinks for lib/Reaction and root/base
21:59  * Penguin mocks :P
21:59 <@Penguin> the xhtml file itself looks sane
22:00 <@jguenther> I just have Reaction installed with make install
22:00 <@jguenther> and $myapp/root/base is a symlink to code/Reaction/root/base
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22:01  * Penguin admits to not having Reaction installed with make install :-S
22:01 <@Penguin> ah
22:03 <@jguenther> EUREKA
22:04 <@jguenther> ok I removed the config crap and now it works
22:04 <@jguenther> haha
22:04 <@Penguin> :-P
22:04 <@Penguin> w00t
22:04 <@Penguin> now build me an app worthy of mordor!
22:04 <@Penguin> er, s/mordor/reaction/
22:05 <@jguenther> soon
22:05 <@jguenther> hehe
22:05 <@Penguin> :)
22:05 <@jguenther> coming REAL-SOON-NOW(TM)
22:05 <@jshirley> (Or an address book)
22:06 <@jguenther> (gene expression analysis program)
22:06 <@jshirley> Neat
22:06 <@Penguin> :-D
22:06 <@jguenther> that's sort of like an address book right?
22:06 <@Penguin> er, yeah
22:06 <@jshirley> I did functional analysis apps years ago.
22:06 <@jshirley> tied into BLAST... fun stuff
22:08 <@jguenther> :)
22:09 <@jshirley> jguenther: who do you work for?
22:09 <@jguenther> canadian government
22:09 <@jshirley> Ah
22:09 <@jguenther> research lab at a university
22:09 <@jguenther> the program i'm working on is for the analysis of data from SAGE experiments
22:09 <@Penguin> oooooh, lucky people
22:10 <@jguenther> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Analysis_of_Gene_Expression
22:10 <@jguenther> very cool stuff
22:10 <@Penguin> shiny
22:10  * Penguin doesn't not to make models of things related to living things :P
22:10 <@jshirley> bah, that's no fun.
22:10  * Penguin is more a cosmological phenomenom sort of person :)
22:11 <@jguenther> I can narrow down genes of interest by analyzing the tag counts statistically
22:11 <@jshirley> Sometimes I miss bioinformatics... but I have no interest in getting a PhD and the PhD's felt they could always shit on me.
22:11 <@jshirley> Which pissed me off, since they wrote really shitty code :)
22:11 <@phaylon> cosmos--
22:11 <@jguenther> narrows down 50,000 possible genes to 10 which is much more managable
22:11 <@phaylon> chaos++
22:11  * Penguin intends to apply for a phd again in the near future
22:11 <@Penguin> chaos++
22:12 <@jguenther> Penguin: what is the site_layout template?
22:12 <@jguenther> header, footer, main block kinda thing?
22:12 <@Penguin> next level in from xhtml
22:12 <@Penguin> aye
22:14 <@Penguin> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5107 is part of my current site_layout, which is handy
22:16 <@jguenther> cool
22:16  * Penguin has more BLOCKS than god :(
22:17  * Penguin runs grep BLOCK * -r | wc -l
22:17  * jshirley wonders how many BLOCKS god has.
22:17 <+shadowpaste> "konobi" at 81.29.65.220 pasted "funky! TT-level fragment caching" (54 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5108
22:17 <@Penguin> 212
22:17 <@Penguin> :P
22:17 < konobi> funky
22:17 <@Penguin> oooh
22:17 < konobi> (quick hacks to see if something works)++ # 5 mins!
22:18 <@jshirley> ssh god grep -r BLOCK * |wc -l
22:19  * Penguin wonders if god is a user or a host :P
22:19 <@jguenther> he is both my son
22:19 <@jshirley> Penguin: both.
22:19 <@Penguin> you want god@god then maybe :)
22:19 <@jshirley> Penguin: no, my local user is "god" 
22:19 <@Penguin> ahhh
22:19 <@Penguin> god in the machine?
22:20 <@jshirley> IF the machine is my pants, yes.  There is a god in the machine.
22:20 <@Penguin> heh
22:27 < kd> what's the tld for god?
22:27 < kd> or is god at all tlds?
22:27 <@Penguin> or god _is_ the tld?
22:38 <@jshirley> God doesn't need a TLD.  Much like Chuck Norris can divide by zero.
22:39 <@jshirley> Penguin: btw, I'm looking at TestDB and I think I can handle getting the address book schema going.
22:39 <@jshirley> Can you donate some time to review my work?
22:39 <@Penguin> right
22:39 <@Penguin> probably :)
22:39  * Penguin hand waves at only spending 22 hours on and off working yesterday :P
22:39 <@Penguin> plenty of time left in the day :
22:39 <@Penguin> :)
22:40  * Penguin will happily pick holes in any given he comes across
22:40 <@jshirley> hehe
22:40  * Penguin will happily pick holes in any given _code_ he comes across
22:41 <@Penguin> have a lookie at Reaction::Types::* for what constraints are available btw
22:41 <@Penguin> and Moose::Util::TypeConstraints
22:42 <@jshirley> k
22:42 <@Penguin> Most common will probably be a VARCHAR(255) being equivalent to a SimpleStr in reaction
22:42 <@Penguin> there's also slightly more fancy ones like PositiveInt and TimeRangeCollection
22:43 <@Penguin> good luck working out how to moose-ify relations :)
22:43 <@jshirley> For an address book I doubt I'll do much with that.
22:43 <@jshirley> Tempting to try to do things like phone validators, but with how many formats for phone numbers, I don't think I want to venture into that.
22:43 <@Penguin> I'd find an existing module and bolt it on for that
22:44 < kd> [\d|s]+ for something truely International I'm afraid
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22:44  * Penguin points to Number::Phone::* on cpan
22:44 < kd> 576 was my first phone no
22:44 < kd> and there are still a few places around with such short nos
22:44 <@Penguin> I don't remember my first number, think it was 5 digits
22:45 < kd> had a 4 digit phone number living in indonesia in the early 80s
22:45  * Penguin was barely alive then :P
22:45 < kd> that was in the 70s which I can't remember really
22:45  * Penguin wasn't alive at all then!
22:45 <@jshirley> Penguin: I always wonder how thorough Number::Phone... I've never used it but this is a good excuse :)
22:45 < kd> aside from wetting/soiling myself a few times
22:45 <@Penguin> jshirley: I've never used it personally, I just give people a varchar and blame them later if they are idiots for not entering things properly :P
22:46 <@jshirley> That's my previous method...
22:46 <@jshirley> For an example, maybe Number::Phone is good.
22:46 < kd> it's good practice to enforce using spaces in the phone no for readability
22:46 <@jshirley> I'll probably do another revision of the app that displays the points on a Google Map :)
22:46  * Penguin is more interested in datetime parsing atm
22:46 < kd> I like blocking them up in groups of 4, but 3 is ok as well
22:46  * Penguin knows someone who is poking google map integration atm actually
22:47 <@Penguin> for a cat app
22:47 <@jshirley> I do a lot of google map hacking
22:47  * jshirley points to http://www.simplymapped.com
22:47 < kd> DD DDDD DDDD | DDDD DDD DDD = australian land/mobile nos
22:47 <@jshirley> forgive the staleness, need to update.
22:47 <@Penguin> I tend to write numbers as +DD DDDD DDDDDD here
22:47 <@jshirley> Catalyst-driven embedded map solution (using iframe/JS) with searchable geospatial database.
22:47 < kd> working in the hell of a ccall centre, the 6 digit block is too long
22:47 <@Penguin> oooooooooooooooh
22:47 <@jshirley> (my site, btw)
22:47 <@Penguin> shiny
22:48 <@jshirley> Was a 2 week Catalyst learning project, so a little rough
22:48 <@Penguin> kd: probably :)
22:48 <@Penguin> whereas I spent a week just making the timerangecollection field in reaction :(
22:48 <@Penguin> when I saw phone numbers verbally I tend to say them in pairs
22:48 <@Penguin> s/saw/say/
22:49 < kd> which is why 4s is good
22:49  * Penguin nods
22:49 <@Penguin> 3 is less good :)
22:49  * kd had to pay a bill the other day with a set of numbers with 000 and 0000 in the same no.  It's very difficult to visually distingush btw the two
22:49 < kd> 34343000234857900003454
22:49 < kd> see :)
22:50 <@Penguin> ahh :P
22:50 < kd> versus 3434 3000 2348 5790 0003 4543
22:50 <@Penguin> a bill... I'm hoping that's an acc number and not the final amount owed? :)
22:50 < kd> haha
22:50 < kd> well my bank balance feels like the latter ;)
22:50 < kd> can you tell I have work to do
22:51 < kd> AND a paper maché construction to make
22:51 <@Penguin> oooh
22:51 < kd> a piñata
22:51 <@Penguin> aha
22:51  * Penguin ponders one filled with cash
22:52 < kd> $daughter's last surviviving guinea pig got killed by a dog which broke in to the garden last night
22:52 < kd> during her birthday dinner! :<
22:52 <@jshirley> Oh, damn.
22:52 <@Penguin> awww :-O
22:52 < kd> but the dog's owner gave her money for a new pet, so we're going to get a couple of rats
22:52 <@Penguin> :'-(
22:52 <@jshirley> I guess you can't shoot the dog.
22:52 <@Penguin> or the owner
22:53  * Penguin has been in that sort of situation before himself :(
22:53 < kd> the owner couged up $50 for a replacement, so I can get a good rat cage
22:53  * Penguin didn't get any money though
22:53 < kd> guinea pigs are pretty stupid anyway,  not good pets
22:53 <@jshirley> Penguin: your negotiationg skills suck :)
22:53 < kd> good eating though
22:53 <@jshirley> kd: I used to have a 3-legged guinea pig.
22:53 <@jshirley> "negotiationg"
22:53 <@Penguin> I want after the owner with a stick :P
22:53 <@Penguin> went
22:53 <@jshirley> I either need to sleep more, or drink less.
22:54 < kd> a feral scottish wife yelling at dog's owner helped
22:54 <@Penguin> argh, can I not spell anymore
22:54 < kd> the other guinea pig died mysteriously two weeks ago as well ... strange
22:54 < kd> either trauma or poisioning
22:54 <@jshirley> Penguin: you just spelled it fine right then.
22:54 < kd> $wife wouldn't let me do an autopsy :(
22:55 <@jshirley> kd: so you ate it?
22:55 <@Penguin> jshirley: I was trying to spell badger :-S
22:55 <@Penguin> aww
22:55 < kd> no, but we did plant a tree with nice edible fruit over the corpse
22:55 < kd> and the other one now too :)
22:55 <@jshirley> he
22:55 <@jshirley> er, heh
22:56 <@jshirley> My parents just bought an investment property in a very small rural town.
22:56 <@jshirley> The previous owners, after closing, frantically try to reach my dad.
22:56 < kd> guinea and ginny were their names
22:56 <@jshirley> After several days of phone tag, he finally learns what it is all about (from the realtor)... her family buried their family dog on the property, and _demanded_ that they be notified if we ever disturb the grave...
22:56 <@jshirley> If I ever make it out that way, I'm totally defiling that grave.
22:57 <@jshirley> kd: We don't name the dead!
22:57 < kd> oosp
22:57  * kd spears self
22:57 <@jshirley> I am doing the most mundane work.
22:57 < kd> the placenta for our two kids is planted underneath two macadamia treas out the front.  7yo's tree is fruiting for the first time this year
22:58 < kd> I am procrastinating heavily...
22:58 <@jshirley> I would much prefer to work on anything else.
22:58 < kd> swap
22:58 <@jshirley> ... You kept the placenta?
22:58 <@jshirley> And planted it...?
22:58 < kd> yep
22:59 < kd> waste to keep it at the hospital
22:59 <@jshirley> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/10/17
22:59 < kd> some people eat them... to stave off baby blues apparently
23:00 <@jshirley> So... got a Roomba today
23:02 <@Penguin> ...
23:16 < jrockway> heh, roomba++
23:16 < jrockway> i finally put batteries in the remote and found out that my roomba has a "max" setting even there's no button on the actual unit for it :)
23:16 < jrockway> my current roomba is a downgrade from my ex-roommates'
23:17 < jrockway> but really it's the same hardware + software with a different shell
23:17 <@jshirley> It was an early xmas present for $wife.
23:17 <@jshirley> woot++ :)
23:22 < jrockway> heh, isn't there some rule that says "never buy your wife a vacuum cleaner"
23:22 < jrockway> a roomba is a good exception though
23:22 < jrockway> since you're "asking" her to work less instead of more
23:23 <@jshirley> I bought her a slave robot :)
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00:00 < kd> jshirley: you should change the favicon for simplymapped ;)
00:06 <@jshirley> It's an easter egg ;)
00:06 <@jshirley> I actually should, but couldn't come up with a favicon that looked good.
00:07 <@jshirley> I just went a little nuts on the address book thing to try to abstract user auth to a person record ... let me ask you guys if you think this is stupid (since I'm leaning towards that way)
00:07 < kd> yeah, favicons are quite hard
00:07 < kd> a compass would be good though
00:07 < kd> or just an arrow with N
00:07 <@jshirley> Person::Auth is auth tokens for a Person object.  It contains login, password (or other auth tokens), etc.
00:08 <@jshirley> A Person might_have a Person::Auth record (since Person should be attached to an address record and they may or may not log into the system)
00:08 <@jshirley> So, Person::Auth -> Person -> AddressBook -> Address
00:09 <@jshirley> With Person also having a "SelfAddressBook" to keep their own addresses, along with a pointer to default address.
00:09 <@jshirley> I think I'm overcomplicating.
00:10 <@jshirley> btw, the Moosey bits right now are just making me type more... ;) (Using TestDB as a guide)
00:27 <@Penguin> back
00:27  * Penguin read backlog
00:27 <@jshirley> How dare you leave!
00:28 <@Penguin> Only my spirit left, my body remained, watching you all
00:28 <@jshirley> That makes me feel dirty.
00:28 <@Penguin> w00t
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00:29 <@Penguin> moosey bits making sense?
00:30 <@jshirley> As long as I'm looking at something else that uses them, sure. :)
00:30 <@jshirley> I've read/scanned the docs two or three times so it is helping it not look foreign, plus seeing the other code fly through here.
00:31 <@Penguin> good good
00:32 <@Penguin> after the schema is done you can poke action reflectors :)
00:32 <@Penguin> then admin CRUD goodness
00:33 <@jshirley> So, what do you think of my schema from above?
00:33 <@Penguin> sounds relatively sane
00:33 <@jshirley> Not overly complicated?
00:33 <@Penguin> maybe overkill, but meh :)
00:33 <@jshirley> I'm worried about the overkill aspect
00:35 <@Penguin> I'm assuming SelfAddressBook would be a field point to an AddressBook object?
00:35 <@jshirley> Yup
00:35  * Penguin is working on a project with 37 models
00:35 <@Penguin> it sounds simple to me :)
00:35 <@jshirley> Are they hot?
00:36 <@Penguin> they are wrapped in reaction, so probably are overheating
00:37 <@jshirley> I need to get this address book thing up... my wife is nagging me to add a bunch of addresses to my thunderbird addressbook... :/
00:37 <@Penguin> reaction makes CRUD stuff easy
00:37 <@Penguin> which is nice
00:37 <@jshirley> That's why I want to use it ;)
00:37 <@Penguin> form generation and whatnot
00:38  * jshirley counts down the time till 17:00
00:38 <@Penguin> 16 hours 20 mins here
00:38 <@Penguin> can you handle the moosey relation bits btw?
00:38 <@jshirley> Well, at 5pm I'm off the clock so I can go play.
00:39 <@jshirley> I'll manage, or bother someone in here.
00:39 <@jshirley> mst can LART me if I need it.
00:39 <@Penguin> ahhhh, so not 5pm is a deadline then :P
00:39 <@Penguin> think mst is drinking atm :P
00:39 <@jshirley> I just wasn't sure how much time I wanted to spend on it, really... but, I think it'd be a good distraction tonight.
00:39  * Penguin nods
00:39 <@Penguin> I'll be around for a few hours
00:40 <@jshirley> I'll be drinking in ... 20 minutes.
00:40 <@jshirley> I'm copying and pasting code 63 times.
00:40 <@jshirley> Driving.me.nuts.
00:40 <@jshirley> I have about 47 instances down.
00:41 <@Penguin> we need some kind of moosey parts auto-generation one day, or combining with the dbic schema somehow
00:41 <@jshirley> That'd be nice (combining seems slick)
00:42 <@Penguin> maybe before dbic 1.0 :)
00:42 <@Penguin> alas currently db field types, moose type constraints and reaction field widgets don't share the same names for things :P
00:43 <@Penguin> eg. varchar, Str and textfield
00:43 <@jshirley> Yeah, that is somewhat annoying.
00:43 <@Penguin> Maybe need some kind of comparison chart at some point
00:43 <@jshirley> I think it'd be better to have DBIC take Moose-type constraints
00:43 <@jshirley> So if the database can have some constraints the producer can put those in place.
00:43 <@Penguin> hrm, maybe
00:43 <@Penguin> alas a bit hard to change now :(
00:44 <@jshirley> Whiner
00:44 <@Penguin> :P
00:44 <@jshirley> Well, could be an optional usage.
00:44 <@jshirley> 'varchar' => "Str"
00:44 <@jshirley> LINGUA Moose!
00:44 <@Penguin> oh, and Str, SimpleStr, NoneEmptySimpleStr
00:45 <@Penguin> for TEXT, VARCHAR and non-nullable VARCHAR
00:45 <@Penguin> ish
00:45 <@Penguin> patches welcome :)
00:45 <@jshirley> Probably need a comparison chart :)
00:45 <@jshirley> heh
00:45 <@Penguin> make one ;-)
00:45 <@jshirley> How about I make a functional app with this shit first?
00:45 <@Penguin> aye yes, baby steps
00:47 <@jshirley> And the address book will have an immediate perk for my home life :)
00:47 <@jshirley> And it'll be utf8-tested, since a lot of our addresses are in JP
00:47 <@Penguin> ooooooh
00:47 <@jshirley> For V2 I'll probably have to put in a translation table.
00:48  * Penguin handwaves at Catalyst::Plugin::I18N too
00:49 <@jshirley> ::DBIC
00:49 <@Penguin> ys :P
00:49 <@jshirley> It is somewhat of an odd case though.
00:49 <@jshirley> Because addresses in Japanese are structured fundamentally different than a US/UK
00:50 <@jshirley> City goes on top, for example.
00:50 <@jshirley> I'm not sure what other countries do.
00:50 <@jshirley> Geo::PostalAddress is decent enough from what I've seen.
00:50  * Penguin nods
00:51 <@Penguin> I vaguely remember another project worrying about address formatting, can't remember what they actually did in the end
00:51 <@Penguin> may have been just support a couple of formats and add more as requested or such
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01:00 <@Penguin> jshirley: oh and be sure to look at ComponentUI::Model::Action, as you'll need something like that in your app too
01:00 <@jshirley> k, I'll do that
01:00 <@jshirley> I got stuck on a call :(
01:00 <@Penguin> aw
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01:06 <@jshirley> yay, freedom.
01:07 <@Penguin> :-D
01:08 <@jshirley> hrm, so, in Person::Auth what is the moosey bit to say has 'person'?
01:08 <@jshirley> just isa => 'Schema::Person' ?
01:08 <@jshirley> has 'person' => { isa => '???', is => 'rw', required => 1, reader => 'get_person', writer => 'set_person' };
01:09  * Penguin thinks
01:09 <@Penguin> Person::Auth belongs_to Person is it?
01:09 <@jshirley> Yeah
01:10 <@Penguin> yes then
01:10 <@Penguin> probably don't need the read/writer actually
01:11 <@Penguin> I only ever set the reader/writer for many to manys
01:11 <@jshirley> Will it hurt anything if they are there?  I want to poke at that stuff
01:12 <@Penguin> dunno :)
01:12 <@Penguin> suspect not
01:13 <@Penguin> has_many's would be isa => 'DBIx::Class::ResultSet', which is a constraint set in reaction which just happens to match the class name :)
01:13 <@Penguin> (for sanity)
01:13 <@jshirley> (for sanity)++
01:14  * Penguin handwaves at Reaction::Types::DBIC
01:14 <@jshirley> http://search.cpan.org/search?query=Reaction%3A%3ATypes%3A%3ADBIC&mode=all # When the hell are you releasing to CPAN?
01:14 <@jshirley> :)
01:14 <@Penguin> err
01:14 <@Penguin> ask mst :P
01:15 <@Penguin> probably after we have some docs actually with any luck :)
01:15 <@jshirley> So, one thing that is somewhat troubling with this...
01:15 <@jshirley> the reader/writers seem to only support a simple fetch
01:15 <@jshirley> What if I have 300K records and want to paginate through them?
01:15  * jshirley knows a _lot_ of people, you see ;)
01:15 <@Penguin> http://search.cpan.org/~mstrout/Reaction-0.001000_001/lib/Reaction.pm is there but it's from may :-S and hence 100% different
01:15 <@Penguin> don't specify reader/writer :)
01:15 <@Penguin> and reaction will make magic happen
01:16  * jshirley envisions mst juggling chainsaws.
01:16 <@jshirley> hrm, I need to rework the way something is here... thought I was almost done ;)
01:16 <@Penguin> :-P
01:17 <@Penguin> actual pagination stuff is handly magically, there is a pager widget
01:18 <@jshirley> ok, cool.
01:18  * Penguin has a drawing of mst with a chainsaw somewhere actually :)
01:18 <@jshirley> I've seen it :)
01:19 <@Penguin> reaction has prettah listviews with pagination by default, which can be overriden
01:19 <@Penguin> heh
01:20 <@Penguin> once you have the moosey bits added, and the action reflector made, next step is admin CRUD probably
01:20 <@jshirley> I should have the basic stuff done in the schema in about 5 min
01:20 <@Penguin> reaction has prebuilt crud controllers for create/list/edit
01:20 <@Penguin> right
01:21  * jshirley gets excited
01:21 <@Penguin> reaction has prebuilt crud controllers for create/list/edit/shit rather
01:21 <@Penguin> heh
01:21 <@jshirley> CLES!
01:21 <@Penguin> hehe
01:25 <@jshirley> hrm, one bit I haven't figured out I'll do after this
01:25 <@Penguin> hrm?
01:25 <@jshirley> Explain after I get what is in my head down
01:26 <@Penguin> right
01:28 <@jshirley> takes a while to type this out.
01:28 <@jshirley> Blergh
01:28 <@jshirley> so much for 5 minutes ;)
01:28 <@Penguin> awww
01:34 <@Penguin> :P
01:34 <@jshirley> hrm, data_type => 'double' is ok, right?
01:35 <@jshirley> (for a lat/lng value)
01:35 <@Penguin> in dbic?
01:35 <@jshirley> yeah
01:35 <@Penguin> can it have decimal values?
01:36 <@jshirley> It requires having decimal values
01:36 <@jshirley> I just wasn't sure if there was another data type used or if it sticks w/ double
01:36 <@Penguin> float may do
01:36 <@Penguin> oh, sql... REAL ?
01:36 <@Penguin> real or double
01:36 <@Penguin> sod it, double will do :P
01:36 <@jshirley> right now I have type = "double precision"
01:37 <@jshirley> k, double checking
01:37 <@Penguin> which db is it? mysql?
01:37 <@jshirley> Pg, but I haven't tested yet
01:38 <@jshirley> I want to make sure my idea jives with the way Reaction works before actually doing ->deploy
01:38 <@Penguin> ahh
01:38 <@Penguin> in mysql anyway it treats double the same as double precision
01:38  * Penguin rarely uses pg
01:39 <@jshirley> k, so can I just send you a tarball with these files in them?
01:39 <@jshirley> I can check them into a repo that has Trac attached to it
01:40 <@jshirley> The address matches to the Google address field, since it is the most flexible.
01:40 <@Penguin> either works for me
01:40 <@jshirley> Then I'm going to put a display filter to format/map
01:40 <@Penguin> repo is probably quickest for keeping me in sync :)
01:40 <@jshirley> k, just sec
01:40  * jshirley has to remember the details...
01:40 <@Penguin> :)
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01:42 <@jshirley> svn co http://code.toeat.com/repo/Reaction-AddressBook
01:43 <@jshirley> http://code.toeat.com/dev/browser/Reaction-AddressBook
01:43 <@jshirley> Feel free to point and laugh :)
01:43 <@Penguin> hang on :)
01:44 <@jshirley> ok, wife demanding me.
01:44 <@jshirley> I'll be back in a few minutes.
01:44 <@Penguin> ok, enough time for me to make a db :P
01:50 <@Penguin> # Both RO because I don't know WTF I'm doing
01:50 <@Penguin> :-P
01:54 <@Penguin> many to manys were perhaps not the easiest of things to start out with methinks :P
01:56 <@jshirley> Well -- if it is just straight DBIx, that isn't a problem.
01:56 <@jshirley> But tying them together with Moose/Reaction isn't clear.
01:57 <@Penguin> for one thing I don't think you need the get_foo set_foo for tables without many to manys
01:57 <@Penguin> like Person::Auth
01:57 <@jshirley> Ok, I didn't think so -- but was debating about being able to set that in the UI.
01:57 <@Penguin> (and hence don't need the no warnings block at the bottom)
01:57 <@jshirley> Like, if I create an address for my mom, and then afterwards want to give her an account.
01:58  * Penguin ponders
01:58 <@Penguin> ignore for now :P
01:58 <@jshirley> Well, put that in there for a V2 type thing.
01:58 <@jshirley> I'll comment it out for now
01:58 <@Penguin> for NonEmptySimpleStr, you can probably get away with SimpleStr and required => 1 most of the time
01:59 <@Penguin> but nm
01:59 <@jshirley> What's the reason for picking one or the other?
01:59 <@Penguin> the types can be used for more than just dbic, so you may have a field which exists, but is empty
02:00 <@jshirley> Ah, right.
02:00 <@jshirley> ok, let me go through and do some scrubbing on that.
02:00 <@jshirley> Since that is a definite use case
02:00 <@Penguin> your arrayrefs in your many to many should be rw if you want to change things in the UI
02:01 <@jshirley> For now I don't want to do that... I'd rather have them look at a specific address book object...
02:01 <@jshirley> Mostly so I can see how it works and then look at the other stuff
02:01 <@Penguin> I was thinking more for the admin section
02:02 <@jshirley> Hmm, ok.
02:02 <@jshirley> But if I get lost, I'm blaming you ;)
02:02 <@Penguin> users can be prevented by just not giving them a UI for it :P
02:02 <@Penguin> hhe
02:04 <@Penguin> ::AD::Link has no moosey relation stuff, I assume just incomplete?
02:04 <@jshirley> has 'label' => ( isa => 'NonEmptySimpleStr', is => 'rw', required => 1 );
02:05 <@jshirley> The only thing it should really have is a label...
02:05 <@jshirley> Otherwise it just points to an address book listing
02:05 <@jshirley> (Multiple users can share an address book)
02:06 <@Penguin> sub display_name { shift->name; }  is something potentially handy
02:06 <@jshirley> name or label?
02:06 <@Penguin> when showing a dropdown list of items from another table, it uses that to format the text displayed for the record
02:06 <@Penguin> you want label :P
02:06 <@jshirley> :)
02:06  * Penguin copy and pasted his own code
02:07 <@Penguin> I tend to have a display_name sub for every table, JIC
02:07 <@Penguin> also, reaction tends to need specific naming styles for many to many rels, but I forget offhand the details
02:07 <@jshirley> So that is used by Reaction?
02:07 <@Penguin> yes
02:07 <@jshirley> Ok, good to know.
02:07 <@jshirley> Oh, you know, Address should probably have that, too.
02:07 <@Penguin> all tables to be safe :)
02:08 <@Penguin> it's less thinking
02:08 <@Penguin> one of my tables has 4 co-ords for marking out an area, so for that I have:
02:08 <@Penguin> sub display_name {
02:08 <@Penguin>   my $self = shift;
02:08 <@Penguin>   return '('.$self->coord_x_from.', '.$self->coord_y_from.') to ('.$self->coord_x_to.', '.$self->coord_y_to.')';
02:08 <@Penguin> }
02:08 <@Penguin> for instance
02:09 <@Penguin> Reaction will give, erm, helpful errors if things aren't set up properly... sometimes
02:09 <@jshirley> just did that w/ Person -- returns sprintf("%s %s", ->first, ->last)
02:10 <@Penguin> that works :)
02:10 <@Penguin> for one to many rels, you'd need something like: (isa => 'DBIx::Class::ResultSet', is => 'ro', required => 0) in the moosey part
02:10 <@jshirley> That could be really really handy for some other stuff...
02:10 <@Penguin> you only use ArrayRef for many to manys
02:10  * Penguin nods :)
02:10 <@jshirley> ok
02:11  * Penguin hopes you're able to make something doc shaped out of this :)
02:11 <@jshirley> Once I get it working, shouldn't be hard.
02:11 <@jshirley> so far it makes sense.
02:11 <@Penguin> good good
02:11 <@jshirley> for ambiguous values of sense.
02:11 <@Penguin> :)
02:11  * Penguin waves 37 tables and 212 TT blocks at people in one project he's working with mst on
02:12 <@jshirley> Ah, dinner time.
02:12 <@jshirley> Thanks for your help, I'll poke at this more and hopefully get some docs.
02:12 <@Penguin> ah, ttyiab
02:12 <@Penguin> np
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05:43  * jshirley gets Reaction going.
05:43 <@jshirley> s/gets/tries to get/
05:50 <@Penguin> woo
05:50 <@Penguin> hrm
05:50 <@Penguin> I'm here
05:50 <@Penguin> it's 5:50am
05:50 <@Penguin> I haven't slept yet
05:50 <@Penguin> :-O
05:51 <@Penguin> don't forget action reflectors and crudcontrollers
05:51 <@Penguin> and if your many to many works first time I'll be impressed :)
05:52 <@jshirley> You need to get to sleep ;)
05:52 <@jshirley> I'm guessing my wife will tell me to get to bed here in about 20 minutes :)
05:54 <@Penguin> right, will talk to you tomorrow, have fun!
05:54 <@Penguin> &
05:55 <@jshirley> Night :)
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16:13 <@jshirley> Anybody around who can help me bootstrap my Reaction app..?  Not really sure where to start.
16:13 <@jshirley> s/my/the addressbook app for the advent calendar/
16:15  * Penguin will be around in 50 mins
16:16 <@jshirley> yay
16:21 <@purge> i'd be interested in doing this too
16:45 <@jshirley> btw, I started up a Reaction-Manual directory that is structured like Catalyst-Manual that I'll be sticking my stuff into.
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17:23 < Penguin> bac
17:23 < Penguin> k
17:23 < Penguin> er, slightly late - I suck :P
17:24 < Penguin> jshirley: doesn't such a dir already exist?
17:26 <@jshirley> I lodged a complaint already.
17:26 <@jshirley> Penguin: erm, it does?
17:27 < Penguin> Well I planned for it to, whether it actually does is another matter :P
17:27  * Penguin looks
17:27 <@jshirley> Oh, I meant a separate package.
17:27 < Penguin> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
17:27 <@jshirley> Yes - React/lib/Reaction/Manual exists :)
17:27 <@jshirley> http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svn/lib/Reaction/Manual/Intro.pod # So useful! ;)
17:27  * Penguin keeps forgetting Cat::Man split off
17:28 < Penguin> INTRODUCTION used to just be foo ;-)
17:28 <@jshirley> I am finally done with my asinine copy and pasting task.
17:28 < Penguin> woo!
17:28 <@jshirley> While it is testing, I am goign to play with this :)
17:28 < Penguin> attempted to bolt reactin onto catalyst yet? :)
17:29 <@jshirley> I really have no idea where to start.
17:30 <@jshirley> So, do I create a Catalyst app, and then inherit from ComponentUI or something?
17:30 < Penguin> no
17:30 <@jshirley> This is the first time I've looked at it outside of just perusing the code
17:30 < Penguin> ComponentUI is a demo app
17:30 < Penguin> you can ignore it :P
17:30 <@jshirley> k
17:31 < Penguin> well, maybe not ignore it completely, as it's an example of how it works
17:31 < Penguin> bolted your dbic shema and catalyst framework together?
17:31 < Penguin> non-reaction and reaction bits can live in harmony in the same app (in theory)
17:31 <@jshirley> Right now I just have the functional dbic schema packages that deploy to an SQLite db for testing.
17:31 <@jshirley> So, let me create a cat app for it now
17:31 < Penguin> right
17:38 <@jshirley> k, that's started
17:38 <@jshirley> (sorry, got distracted at work)
17:38 < Penguin> :)
17:38 < Penguin> damn work
17:38 <@jshirley> I know... just because they pay me... ;)
17:38  * Penguin uses reaction at work
17:38 < Penguin> :)
17:39 <@jshirley> I'm thinking of using the Moosey stuff for building a nice little workflow thing, so... it is a learning activity? :)
17:40 < Penguin> :-D
17:40 < Penguin> anyway, server starts yes?
17:40 <@jshirley> Yup
17:40 < Penguin> right
17:40 < Penguin> you need to make ::Model::Action
17:41 <@jshirley> is there a helper? :)
17:41 < Penguin> not yet :-(
17:41 < Penguin> actually, make some kind of note saying we need a helper for that
17:41 < Penguin> as could probably generate the bones of it based on the schema
17:41 < Penguin> see ComponentUI::Model::Action for an example
17:43 < Penguin> it's needed in order to make the automatic CRUD stuff
17:43 <@jshirley> ok, just sec, work again.
17:44 < Penguin> aw
17:44 <@jshirley> ok, back
17:45 < Penguin> wb
17:45 < Penguin> basically you need a ->reflect_actions_for for each table you want to "reactionify"
17:46 <@jshirley> so in my case, all of them.
17:46 < Penguin> quite likely
17:47 < Penguin> actionreflector makes actions for create/update/delete
17:47 < Penguin> currently only for DBIC, but that may change in the future... maybe
17:48 <@jshirley> But not retrieve?
17:49 < Penguin> that's handled by something else :P
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17:50  * Penguin handwaves at listview
17:50 <@jshirley> heh
17:51 < Penguin> make the Action file yet? :_)
17:51 <@jshirley> Getting there
17:51 <@jshirley> Trying to document while I do this stuff
17:52 < Penguin> ah, wise
17:53 <@jshirley> ok, so my Action.pm contains effectively the same as ComponentUI, changed for my app (and removed use t/lib
17:53 < Penguin> yes
17:53 <@jshirley> and now time to debug all the errors! :)
17:53 < Penguin> oh and use RTest::TestDB; should be your actual model
17:54 < Penguin> RTest is componetui's model
17:54 <@jshirley> So, the Model::Schema class?
17:54 <@jshirley> erm, no, don't think that is right.
17:55 <@jshirley> Working through this now: Can't find links_to_address_book_list has_many for address_book_list
17:56 < Penguin> model being whatever you have that uses DBIx::Class or such
17:56 <@jshirley> The data model, not the Catalyst Model as in MVC Model... :)
17:56 < Penguin> yes :)
17:57 < Penguin> reaction needs relatively specific rel names for many to manys
17:57 < Penguin> links_to_address_book_list should be the rel name for the has_many rel somewhere
17:58 < Penguin> also, your data model may want to use Reaction::Class; too
17:58 <@jshirley> yeah, they all do that
17:58 <@jshirley> ok, so ... that makes sense, but has a long error message.
17:59 < Penguin> not the just the schema files, but your MyApp::DB file too, which does ->load_components to whatnot
17:59 < Penguin> that's just an insane amount of debug info :-S
17:59 < Penguin> mostly the actual useful error will be the first thing it says
18:00 < Penguin> AddressBook::Schema I mean, for MyApp::DB
18:00 <@jshirley> ok, one down another one to go...
18:00 < Penguin> anyway
18:00 <@jshirley> Can't find address_book belongs_to on AddressBook::Schema::AddressBook::Links traversing many-many for address_book_list at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Reaction/InterfaceModel/Action/DBIC/ActionReflector.pm line 86
18:00 < Penguin> address_book_links should be  links_to_address_book_list - yes
18:01 <@jshirley> ^ what I'm fixing now
18:01 < Penguin> the other side of your has_many should be a belong_to
18:01 < Penguin> need to define the rel both ways round
18:01 <@jshirley> but, it should be smart enough! ;)
18:01 < Penguin> patches welcome :)
18:02 < Penguin> you should make some kind of to do list too :-P
18:03 <@jshirley> well, actually, I don't think it should create relationships I don't explicitly define...
18:03 <@jshirley> I'm just whining.
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18:04 < Penguin> ;-)
18:05 < Penguin> yeah, but making a fantasy to do list may make you happy or something
18:05 < Penguin> :P
18:05 <@jshirley> I'll put things in there that I think are good ideas ;)
18:05 < Penguin> funky:)
18:05 <@jshirley> Hrm, ok... somewhat stumped here.
18:06 < Penguin> hrm?
18:06 <@jshirley> Can't find links_to_address_list has_many for address_list at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Reaction/InterfaceModel/Action/DBIC/ActionReflector.pm line 84
18:06 <@jshirley> That's in Person.pm
18:07 <@jshirley> So, address_list doesn't relate to a dbic relationship, since it is a many_to_many_to_many :)
18:07 < Penguin> your many_to_many should be foo_list and your has_many should be links_to_foo_list
18:07 < Penguin> blergh :P
18:07 <@jshirley> That is how it is now
18:08 <@jshirley> http://code.toeat.com/dev/browser/Reaction-AddressBook/lib/AddressBook/Schema/Person.pm
18:08 < Penguin> so between Foo and Bar, you'd have two dbic rels on each for a many to many?
18:09 <@jshirley> Person has address book links, so multiple people can share the same address book.
18:10 <@jshirley> So a person has_many address book links, which has one address book.
18:10 < Penguin> hrm
18:10 <@jshirley> Erm, I think I coded that wrong, just sec.
18:10 < Penguin> only many to many should be ArrayRefs
18:10 <@jshirley> k, taking that out for now.
18:11 <@jshirley> woohoo, got everything else pounded out and it starts.
18:11 < Penguin> Person might have a Person::Auth and many to many Addresbooks, yes?
18:11 < Penguin> woo
18:11 <@jshirley> Yup
18:11 < Penguin> now
18:11 < Penguin> controllres
18:12 <@jshirley> Damn this mouse eats batteries like a fat kid eats cake... just sec
18:12 < Penguin> see lib/ComponentUI/Controller/Bar.pm
18:12 < Penguin> awww
18:12 < Penguin> actually no, see lib/ComponentUI/Controller/Baz.pm - it's simpler
18:12 <@jshirley> ok
18:12 < Penguin> make something like that for each of your tables :)
18:13 < Penguin> that'll use the default reaction templates and spit out a listview for each, and CRUD
18:13 < Penguin> oh, and learn about Chained if you haven't already
18:13 < Penguin> Bar.pm demonstrates how to override the layout templates
18:13 <@jshirley> Yeah, I do a lot of stuff w/ Chained now
18:14 < Penguin> funky
18:14 <@jshirley> That's a nice little aside... "Learn Chained now" :)
18:14 < Penguin> :)
18:14 < Penguin> argh, gotta go
18:14 < Penguin> good luck :-P
18:14 <@jshirley> heh, thanks :)
18:14  * Penguin will bbl
18:14 <@jshirley> cool
18:14 < Penguin> damn RL
18:14 <@jshirley> I'll be around
18:14 <@jshirley> Thanks a lot :)
18:35 < Penguin> back
18:35 < Penguin> how's it going?
18:37 <@jshirley> That was fast
18:37 <@jshirley> Going well, I'm setting up a full test schema right now
18:37 < Penguin> woo
18:37 <@jshirley> I have the view, controllers and chained actions together.
18:38 <@jshirley> Starts up, and gives me "file error - component: not found"
18:38 < Penguin> right
18:38 < Penguin> is root/base a symlink to your root/base in reaction?
18:39 < Penguin> (eventually would fix it so you don't need to do that)
18:39 <@jshirley> Not yet, I was going to copy the tree from reaction
18:39  * Penguin tends to symlink so it's easier when it fiddles with the reaction codebase
18:40 < Penguin> but either case should mean it then finds component :)
18:40 < Penguin> which is a TT widget
18:44 <@jshirley> well, I have test data now :-D
18:44 <@jshirley> uhm, wtf.
18:44  * jshirley copy and pasted the wrong connect info
18:45 <@jshirley> Reaction connected to a database with similar schema, and worked flawlessly... hilarious.
18:45 < Penguin> :-P
18:46 <@jshirley> That's somewhat amusing, but very cool.
18:46 < Penguin> hehe
18:47 < Penguin> managed to _see_ anything on the web interface yet?
18:47 <@jshirley> Oh yeah, I saw my restaurant database just fine ;)
18:47 < Penguin> listview and CRUD work ok?
18:48 < Penguin> :-P
18:48 <@jshirley> listview, so far
18:48 < Penguin> if CRUD works with the wrong db I'll be scared
18:48 <@jshirley> So, how do I do auth? :)
18:48 < Penguin> erm :P
18:49 <@jshirley> No Reaction methods for that yet?
18:49 <@jshirley> I have to do plain'ol Catalyst stuff?
18:49 < Penguin> used Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication before?
18:49 < Penguin> indeed, except for the template
18:50  * Penguin tends to have the reaction crud controllers in ::Admin::* with a pathpart of /admin or similar
18:51 <@jshirley> Ok, I'm running into a small problem with the chained stuff here.
18:51 < Penguin> hrm?
18:51 <@jshirley> AddressBook is chained to /base
18:51 <@jshirley> In AddressBook::Address, I have: action => { base => { Chained => '/base/address_book', PathPart => 'address' } },
18:52 <@jshirley> erm, actually, right now I just have address_book :)
18:52 <@jshirley> but can't seem to get it to recognize address
18:52 < Penguin> action => { base => { Chained => '/base', PathPart => 'baz' } },  was the example :)
18:52 < Penguin> oh, may need to create /base
18:53 <@jshirley> Yeah, /base works
18:53 < Penguin> look at ComponentUI::Controller::Root
18:53 <@jshirley> All my top level chains work.
18:53 < Penguin> sub base :Chained('/') :PathPart('') :CaptureArgs(0) {
18:53 < Penguin>   my ($self, $c) = @_;
18:53 < Penguin>   $self->push_viewport(ViewPort, layout => 'xhtml');
18:53 < Penguin> }
18:53 < Penguin> is needed somewhere
18:53 <@jshirley> I have that :)
18:53 < Penguin> in Root.pm or Admin.pm or similar
18:54 < Penguin> ahh
18:54 <@jshirley> So, /base works
18:54 <@jshirley>       /base/address_book works
18:54 < Penguin> but /address_book doesn't?
18:55 <@jshirley> I'm talking about teh chain. 
18:55 < Penguin> ahhh
18:55 <@jshirley> If I load /address_book it shows up just fine
18:55 < Penguin> right
18:55 <@jshirley> I want a descendant from address_book 
18:56 < Penguin> as in a /base/address_book/foo chain part?
18:56 <@jshirley> Well, what I envision is a URI like: /address_book/{ID}/address/{ID}
18:56 <@jshirley> first ID is address_book ID
18:57  * Penguin ponders
18:57 <@jshirley> a pondering penguin.
18:58 <@jshirley> I hate realizing breakfast has not been eaten at lunch time.
18:58 < Penguin> it's doable, just trying to remember how :P
18:58 < Penguin> aww
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19:00 <@jshirley> oh, maybe I should chain off of addressbook/base
19:00 < Penguin> probably need something more advanced than standard crudcontrollers
19:00 < Penguin> try it :P
19:00 <@jshirley> Foo 
19:01 <@jshirley> Isn't this standard CRUD?
19:01 <@jshirley> Or do I have weird ideas on what is base level stuff?
19:01 <@jshirley> (Or am I just doing something stupid)
19:01 < Penguin> "standard CRUD" being  what reaction makes for you with almost no code :P
19:01 < Penguin> my point being you may have to write, erm, some code :)
19:01 <@jshirley> Ok, no problems with that :)
19:02 <@jshirley> Hmm, note: do not do this:     Chained => 'object', PathPart => 'address' }
19:02 < Penguin> as in make a new controller
19:02 <@jshirley> infinite loop :)
19:02 < Penguin> woo
19:02 < Penguin> know of the aliased perl module btw?
19:03 <@jshirley> Yeah, I hate it, in all honesty.
19:03 < Penguin> oh :-P
19:03 < Penguin> well make a new contoller and add:
19:03 < Penguin> use base 'Reaction::UI::RootController';
19:03 < Penguin> use Reaction::Class;
19:04 < Penguin> and:
19:04 < Penguin> use aliased 'Reaction::UI::ViewPort';
19:04 < Penguin> use aliased 'Reaction::UI::ViewPort::ListView';
19:04 < Penguin> use aliased 'Reaction::UI::ViewPort::ActionForm';
19:04 < Penguin> or don't use alised and be prepared to use the whole name of it every time you use it :P
19:04 <@jshirley> Oh, let me rephrase... "For anything but external API usage, I hate it" :)
19:05 < Penguin> ok :)
19:05 < Penguin> then make a sub base, chained to /root or something
19:05 < Penguin> which does a push viewport for xhtml
19:06 < Penguin> that being the outer most viewpor
19:06 < Penguin> t
19:06 < Penguin> you can render viewports within viewports to make up the page
19:06 <@jshirley> Ahh
19:06 < Penguin> for simple ones you may have:
19:06 < Penguin> $self->push_viewport(ViewPort,
19:06 < Penguin>     layout => 'google_map',
19:06 < Penguin>     ctx => $c,
19:06 < Penguin>   );
19:07 < Penguin> which doesn't do anything fancy, just show that template and wrap xhtml around it
19:07 <@jshirley> So, some open questions to throw out now (not to change the subject): How do I bind the records retrieved to a user object?
19:07 < Penguin> passing ctx is optional for ViewPort, depending if you catually need it
19:07 < Penguin> user object as in auth $user object?
19:07 <@jshirley> for a google map you probably would, since it needs some config (keys, etc)
19:08 <@jshirley> Not specifically, no.
19:08 < Penguin> I'll get onto it :P
19:08 <@jshirley> Ok
19:08 <@jshirley> So, right now I'm still stumped on how to get the main address view
19:08 < Penguin> ListView and ActionForm are subclasses of ViewPort
19:08 <@jshirley> Adding the view is cool for that though
19:08 < Penguin> main address view would be a list of addresses, yes?
19:09 < Penguin> if one, one could say it's a "ListView"
19:09 <@jshirley> http://www.dev.toeat.com:3000/address_book
19:09 <@jshirley> Yeah, that list view works.
19:09 < Penguin> ListView are passed a collection, which is basically the resultset to display
19:09 <@jshirley> So, right now what I'm attempting to do is have a specific view on an address.
19:10 < Penguin> ahh
19:10 <@jshirley> so I can click on one of those records, to be able to see the details
19:10 < Penguin> you'll need to make a template
19:10 < Penguin> oh your page has no edit/delete options :-S
19:11 < Penguin> argh hang on, work :P
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19:12 <@jshirley> k
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19:20 < Penguin> hrm
19:20 < Penguin> have you specified layouts manually anywhere?
19:20 < Penguin> that listview looks like it's using the listview_base template rather than listview
19:21 <@jshirley> I haven't done anything custom, just copying from ComponentUI
19:21 < Penguin> grep your code for listview_base pls :)
19:21 < Penguin> actually, compentui doesn't mention it :-S
19:22 <@jshirley> no hits
19:22 < Penguin> hrm
19:22 <@jshirley> AddressBook should use ListView as a base, shouldn't it?
19:23  * Penguin declares everything to have ambigous names :P
19:23 < Penguin> AddressBook.pm which is one of the ones I told you to create earlier (as in one for each table) ?
19:24 < Penguin> or is this the new controller I suggested creating a bit ago with the viewport stuff?
19:24 <@jshirley> Well, I'm trying to make sense of that part.
19:25 < Penguin> right, we'll ignore the new controller for now
19:25 <@jshirley> But yeah, AddressBook in an app called AddressBook is a bit annoying.
19:25 < Penguin> show me the code for AddressBook.pm
19:25 <@jshirley> Controller::AddressBook?
19:25 < Penguin> aye
19:25 <@jshirley> It just has the CRUDController stuff in it now
19:25 <@jshirley> hold on, I'll no paste
19:25 < Penguin> (you think this is confusing, you should see my domain related app :P I have tables, fields, crontrollers, views all called domain - muahaha)
19:26 <@jshirley> I want to change the repo around a bit so I don't want to commit a lot right now
19:26 < Penguin> ah, right
19:26 < Penguin> <@jshirley> AddressBook should use ListView as a base, shouldn't it? <-- in general no
19:27 <@jshirley> k, give me a few minutes and I'm going to refactor and rename some things...
19:27 < Penguin> ok
19:27 <@jshirley> I'm getting too confused :)
19:28 <@jshirley> and what good is a sample app if it is all named the same!?
19:28 < mst> hehehe
19:28 <@jshirley> Reaction::App::Malkovitch
19:28 < Penguin> normally you'd have a controller being a crudcontroller, or a contoller being a reaction controller which in turn pushes listviews and whatnot
19:28 < Penguin> you only want to subclass the listview viewport if you're strange, or called mst
19:29 < mst> hahaha
19:29 < mst> or if you need extra features in your listview
19:29 <@phaylon> one's a subset of the other, tho
19:29 < mst> I last did it to add headers to CSV output
19:29  * Penguin points out that he means listview to be the ::ViewPort::ListView, the webpage, and a whole set of templates, depending on context
19:29 < mst> will likely to it for an infline editing one as well
19:29 < Penguin> I counted "extra features" as "being strange" :)
19:30 < mst> I need to write a widget layer to sit between viewport and templates as well
19:30 <@jshirley> Ohh, inline editing.
19:30 < Penguin> (FYI reaction crudcontrollers subclass reaction controllers)
19:31 < Penguin> (as do reaction rootcontrollers)
19:31 < mst> (and if that wasn't obvious, YOU BE SCREWED)
19:31 < Penguin> (with a rusty metal pipe with bits of broken glass _inside it_)
19:38 <@jshirley> You guys know how to party
19:39 < Penguin> :P
19:39 < mst> .o/
19:40 < Penguin> \o.
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19:44 < Penguin> jshirley: how's it going?
19:44 <@jshirley> Between work and the refactor, well :)
19:48 <@jshirley> http://code.toeat.com/dev/browser/Reaction-AddressBook/ReactionAB
19:48 <@jshirley> Feel free to point and laugh
19:49 <@jshirley> Still too many instances of AddressBook
19:49 <@jshirley> but I'm going to create a new listview controller just called "Addresses"
19:49 < Penguin> don't you mean a reaction controller which pushes a listview vp? :P
19:49 <@jshirley> semantics .... :P
19:50 <@jshirley> a new listview-using controller
19:53 < Penguin> :P
19:53 < Penguin> right
19:54 < Penguin> so you'd need to do:
19:54 < Penguin> $self->push_viewport(ListView,
19:54 < Penguin> collection => $rs,
19:54 < Penguin> you set the column_order => [ qw/ blah / ] too if you want
19:54 < Penguin> $rs being the results you want to display
19:55 <@jshirley> ok, trying to get the action chained in right
19:55 <@jshirley> I created Controller::Addresses
19:55 <@jshirley> For pushing to the listview
19:55 < Penguin> though the crud controller one should still display edit/delete actions :-S
19:56 <@jshirley> Can't seem to get it to chain though.
19:56 < Penguin> the edit/delete stuff should chain off it
19:57 < Penguin> so you'd have addressbook/edit/*/ or something
19:57 < Penguin> but meh
19:57 <@jshirley> erm, I'm just a dumbass.
19:57  * jshirley learns the difference between CaptureArgs and Args... again.
19:57 < Penguin> lol
19:58 < Penguin> did I not say learned chained earlier? :)
19:58 <@jshirley> http://code.toeat.com/dev/browser/Reaction-AddressBook/ReactionAB/lib/ReactionAB/Controller/Addresses.pm
19:58 <@jshirley> Is there anything special to getting a $rs?
19:58 < Penguin> almost :P
19:59 < Penguin> base should push the xhtml listview
19:59 < Penguin> unless that itself is chained to something else t hat does
19:59 < Penguin> $rs is just a resultset
19:59 <@jshirley> oh, and then root should do the listview?
19:59 < Penguin> nothing fancy
19:59 < Penguin> hang on
20:00 < Penguin> I'm gonna shoiw you some of my code :P
20:00 <@jshirley> yay :)
20:00 < Penguin> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5131
20:03 <@jshirley> badgers!
20:03  * Penguin coughs
20:03 < Penguin> jist of it make sense though?
20:04 <@jshirley> Well, sort of... putting it together is still fuzzy
20:04 < Penguin> $self->push_viewport( ViewPort, layout => 'listview'); <-- that's probably not right
20:04 < Penguin> You want a ListView class, not a ViewPort I think
20:04 < Penguin> 'listview' is the filename of the template
20:04 <@jshirley> ah, right
20:04 < Penguin> [19:56:37] <Penguin> so you'd need to do:
20:04 < Penguin> [19:56:42] <Penguin> $self->push_viewport(ListView,
20:04 < Penguin> :-P
20:06 <@jshirley> I think I've already stated several times I'm a dumbass.
20:06  * Penguin didn't like to say :)
20:06 <@jshirley> Just copy'n'paste implications ;)
20:07 <@jshirley> can you paste your root controller, too?
20:08  * Penguin looks
20:08 < Penguin> don't think it'
20:08 < Penguin> don't think it's reactionified at all actually
20:09 < Penguin> sub root :Chained('/') :PathPart('') :CaptureArgs(0) {
20:09 < Penguin>     my ( $self, $c ) = @_;
20:09 < Penguin>     unless ($c->user || $c->action->attributes->{AllowAnon}) { $c->forward('login');     }
20:09 < Penguin> }
20:09 <@jshirley> Duplicating your sub base/root I can't get the actions to show up 
20:09 < Penguin> just auth stuff
20:09 <@jshirley> ah
20:10 < Penguin> run the reaction compentui stuff, can you see actions on that  at least?
20:10 <@jshirley> I just mean for "addresses" I can't get them to show up
20:11 < Penguin> did you pass it a $rs?
20:11 < Penguin> if you're not using crudcontroller
20:11 <@jshirley> Erm, sorry, using the wrong names.
20:11 <@jshirley> The chained actions aren't loading.
20:11 < Penguin> ahh
20:11 <@jshirley> well, incomplete.
20:12 <@jshirley> Hold on, pushing something into production now...
20:12 <@jshirley> back in 5
20:12 < Penguin> k
20:13 < Penguin> argh, right, now I flee again - ttyl
20:16 < mst> later dude
20:19 <@jshirley> ahh, my chain went the wrong direction, damnit.
20:24  * jshirley lists addresses.
20:24 <@jshirley> wee
20:34 <@jshirley> mst: ping
20:34 <@jshirley> (anybody with a clue): ping
20:35 <@jshirley> http://code.toeat.com/dev/browser/Reaction-AddressBook/ReactionAB/lib/ReactionAB/Controller/Addresses.pm <-- I get a create record link, but it just goes to /addresses
20:36 <@jshirley> (sub people added in there just for poking)
20:41 < mst> one sec, phone
20:42 <@jshirley> k
20:50 < mst> hmm
20:50 < mst> shouldn't do :)
20:51 <@jshirley> shouldn't do?
20:52 < mst> oh, hang on
20:53 < mst> it's cos you've got no create action :)
20:53 < mst> have a read of the CRUDController source
20:54 <@jshirley> But ... I don't use CRUDController
20:55 <@jshirley> It's a RootController... or am I missing something?
20:58 < mst> yes but
20:58 < mst> the ListView is just a listview
20:58 < mst> to have a create link, you need a create action.
20:59 <@jshirley> http://www.dev.toeat.com:3000/addresses/
20:59 <@jshirley> Why is Create record showing up then?
20:59 < mst> because the listview template doesn't currently test to see if there's an action to connect the link to
20:59 <@jshirley> Ahh, ok :)
21:00 < mst> a lot of this is still a bit rough around the edges
21:00 < mst> OTOH the legwork to deal with that still works out a fuckload less than doing it by hand
21:00 <@jshirley> I'm not sure what is "rough" and what is me being wrong.
21:00 <@jshirley> :)
21:01 < mst> heh
21:01 < mst> I have plans for an extra layout layer to move even more logic out of the templates
21:01 < mst> and to make it easy to do the transparent-AJAX stuff I have in mind
21:02 <@jshirley> That will be cool to see
21:02 < mst> when I implement that it'll make this cleaner
21:02 < mst> there's a shitload of cool stuff in the last sketch that needs bringing forwards into the new model
21:06 <@jshirley> I totally don't have a clue what I'm doing here :)
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21:12 <@jshirley> hrm, why are my field names not being sent to the create list?
21:12 <@jshirley> I get a list of address books, and the corresponding input fields 
21:12 <@jshirley> along with names like "1-field-last_name:value"
21:29 <@jshirley> hrm, in order to get a nice Address interface am I going to have to create a new type, or can I just key that in an Model::Action::Something class?
21:31 < mst> err
21:31 < mst> have you got an ActionReflector invocation anywhere?
21:31 <@jshirley> Yeah
21:32 <@jshirley> http://code.toeat.com/dev/browser/Reaction-AddressBook/ReactionAB/lib/ReactionAB/Model/Action.pm
21:32 < mst> right
21:32 < mst> handing your create code a CreateFoo action should do the trick then
21:33 <@jshirley> Uhm... define CreateFoo? :)
21:37 < mst> export REACTION_DEBUG=1`
21:38 < mst> look at the output the action reflection gives
21:38 <@jshirley> This is the one I'm looking at: http://code.toeat.com/dev/browser/Reaction-AddressBook/ReactionAB/lib/ReactionAB/Controller/AddressBook.pm
21:38 <@jshirley> That's a lotta messages :)
21:39 <@jshirley> http://www.dev.toeat.com:3000/address_book/id/1/update # Page I'm looking at
21:40 < mst> it's not messages
21:40 < mst> it's full class definitions :)
21:40 <@jshirley> bah, still messages :P
21:40 < mst> you could copy and paste them into the relevant files and remove the ActionReflector if you wanted to
21:41 <@jshirley> Ah, that is pretty cool.
21:43 <@jshirley> Still not quite sure what I'm missing though
22:08 < ash> btw i've got a hack that will reduce deubg output (work with Data::Dump)
22:11 < mst> ash: hmm?
22:11 < ash> to chomp on the resultsource in cat debug output
22:11 < ash> since the one in the cookbook is Data::Dumper only
22:11 < mst> oh
22:12 < mst> there's an easier fix than that
22:12 < mst> $obj->result_source should actually be a proxy object
22:12 < ash> stringify RS to ""
22:12 < ash> ah
22:12 < mst> that holds $schema, $source_name
22:12 < ash> source even
22:12 < mst> actually
22:12 < mst> ignore me for the moment
22:13 < mst> that fixes the other big niggle - needing to keep $schema in scope
22:13 < ash> since Data::Dump uses stringification if there, you could stringify that proxy obj to something short
22:13 < mst> yep
22:13 < mst> that'd be ace
22:14  * ash hacks
22:14 < mst> also, if you provide an index of the $schem objects
22:14 < mst> with an ability to name them
22:14 < ash> index?
22:14 < mst> that then buys you dump+restore
22:14 < mst> and reattach-to-schema on restore
22:14 < ash> dump+restore = freeze+thaw?
22:14 < mst> right
22:15 < ash> dont quite get what you mean by index tho
22:15 < mst> which would be a big win
22:15 < mst> hash :)
22:15 < ash> oh right ;)
22:15 < mst> but hash of weak refs, or something
22:15 < ash> thought y meant some meant something more magical
22:15 < mst> I said index cos I was thinking LOI
22:16  * ash moves #dbix-class-wards
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23:42 < chansen> http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svnweb/index.cgi/reaction/view/docs/FAQ.txt sounds promising =)
23:42 < chansen> now I want to se a Hello World type app ;)
23:46 <@jshirley> chansen: I'm working w/ Penguin on something like that.
23:48 < chansen> jshirley: cool =)
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01:50 < Penguin> chansen: is compentui not sufficient for a hello world type database app? :P
01:53 < Penguin> (url which chansen mentioned)++
02:00 < Penguin> jshirley: my $rs = $c->model('Schema::AddressBook')->search;  <-- btw, why bother with the ->search?
02:00 < mst> yeah, I wondered that
02:07 < chansen> I'm installing half cpan now to meet perquisites ;)
02:07 < mst> sorry :)
02:08 < chansen> mst: BTW, DBIx::Class requires Cwd 3.19, 5.8.8 ships with 3.12
02:08 < mst> yes
02:08 < mst> blame p5p
02:08 < chansen> might be a problem for packagers and ports which does not mess with INC
02:08 < mst> Cwd is dual-life
02:08 < chansen> I know
02:09 < chansen> thats why I mention it, if you care for easy deployment
02:10 < mst> I think we may have removed the req in trunk, actually
02:10 < mst> which is a shame, because it unfucks a number of things
02:10 < mst> and the performance of load_classes() is way better
02:18 <+shadowpaste> "chansen" at 81.225.85.74 pasted "FYI Test-Class perquisites" (4 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5152
02:20 < mst> chansen: they presumably have a reason for that
02:23 <@jshirley> btw, ->search so I can add some filtering things to see how stuff works
02:24 < mst> fair enough
02:24 <@jshirley> No real reason :)
02:25 < chansen> mst: I doubt it for IO::File, but as I said FYI if you care about ease of deployment
02:26  * jshirley goes off to dinner, bbiab.
02:26 < Penguin> jshirley: wb
02:27 < mst> chansen: thing is, it doesn't make much diff
02:27 < mst> chansen: since the versions would still be too new for anything <5.8.8
02:27 < mst> and a lot of places are still running .4, .5 ad .7
02:28  * Penguin is running .7
02:28 < Penguin> actually .7 in two places and .4 in the other
02:28 < mst> right
02:28 < mst> debian stable is .7
02:29 < Penguin> which many people still use
02:29 < chansen> it's not a problem for debain since they rearrange @INC
02:29 < chansen> it's the only dist I know of that does that
02:30 < Penguin> I assume (k)ubuntu does too?
02:30 < chansen> sorry, no idea
02:30 < mst> suspect so
02:30 < mst> check on jules :)
03:14 < chansen> which DBD::SQLite version is required?
03:14 < mst> err
03:14 < mst> latest should be fine
03:15 < chansen> I have 1.12, I'll check idd thats the latest
03:16 < mst> that should also be fine.
03:16 < mst> if DBIC installs, whatever you've got is ok
03:23 < chansen> DBIx::Class works fine, all test passes
03:24 < chansen> strange, on the previous run i got sqlite warnings about non existent tables, not on this run
03:26 < mst> oh, you do
03:26 < mst> because SQLT generates DROP TABLE statements
03:26 < mst> not DROP TABLE IF EXISTS
03:28 < chansen> ok
03:29 < chansen> well it seem to work now =)
03:31 < chansen> I guess Moose/Class::MOP is responsible for the "not low" response times
03:36 < chansen> anyway definitely cool!! good job so far!!
03:36 < mst> cheers
03:36 < mst> it needs layout objects to get the last of the logic out the templates
03:37 < mst> and some more work on the controller stuff, it's not elegant enough
03:37 < mst> and the model layer needs to be a full layer
03:37 < mst> but the basic concept is there, and it *works*
03:37 < chansen> =)
03:37 < mst> and we do lots of Moose introspection, so the immutable branch should fix a lot of the performance issues
03:38 < mst> and for the mo it's not fast, but it -is- fast enough. just.
03:39 < mst> oh, plus I think I may turn a lot of things into classes that are currently object-level
03:39 < mst> still working some stuff out there
03:53 < chansen> just did a quick profiling of syscalls, 58%, Perl_pp_sysread 2.1% SQLite, 0.3% Perl_pp_print 
03:54 < chansen> .. I'm ashamed of HTTP.pm
03:54 < mst> ouch
03:56 < chansen> yupp
03:56 < chansen> I'm going to take a stab at it tomorrow, I can't live with that results
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13:17 < Penguin> jshirley: how's it going? :)
13:31 <@jshirley> Just woke up :)
13:39  * jshirley points to the clock that reads 5:39
13:39 < ash> thats a crazy time to wake up
13:41 <@jshirley> I used to be very effective in the early morning, then we had a baby.  
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04:11 < jrockway> mst, that reminds me
04:11 < jrockway> can reaction treat a template, some logic, and a database item as one "unit"
04:12 < mst> uhh
04:12 < jrockway> this site: http://mindonline.uchicago.edu/
04:12 < jrockway> would benifet from that greatly
04:12 < Penguin> ...
04:12 < jrockway> since those items in the sidebar show up everywhere
04:12 < jrockway> they each have their own HTML and database queries to get them
04:12 < jrockway> but need to be placed inside other documents in strategic ways
04:13 < Penguin> don't make me come over there and implement reaction in php :P
04:13 < jrockway> oh don't worry
04:13 < jrockway> if reaction can handle this, i'll rewrite the damn site in my own time
04:13 < jrockway> just to prove that perl is awesome ;)
04:13 < jrockway> as it stands, it's an unmaintainable nightmare
04:13 < jrockway> and 2 other clients want slightly different "copies"
04:13 < jrockway> so it's worth doing right, imho
04:14 < mst> jrockway: I -think- you'd use a controller class (not exactly cat-style)
04:14 < mst> and do FragmentController->new(attach_view_at => [ $view, 'location' ]);
04:14 < mst> or similar
04:15 < Penguin> unmaintainable nightmare.... sounds like several of my projects tbh
04:15 < mst> this sort of use-case is what I'm trying to figure out at the moment
04:15 < mst> I'm hoping I'm one eureka moment away from it now :)
04:15 < jrockway> the reason is because those items show up everywhere, but they use different code each time ;)
04:15 < jrockway> there's about 3 "includes" for rendering them
04:15 < Penguin> joy
04:15 < mst> ow
04:15 < jrockway> they even use different variable names for each
04:15  * Penguin can actually write not completely shit php :P
04:15 < jrockway> $record in one, $data in the other
04:16 < Penguin> see I'd call them all $foo
04:16 < jrockway> this was written by a web designer and a student
04:16 < jrockway> apparently the student won some sort of programming contest recently
04:16 < Penguin> a student of what? :)
04:16 < jrockway> CS
04:16 < Penguin> history?
04:16 < jrockway> yeah, interesting guy
04:17  * Penguin has mocked CS students at his own uni for their tech skills before tbh
04:17 < mst> jrockway: http://www.alumni.uchicago.edu/http://www.uchicago.edu/uchi/academics/cont-ed.html
04:17 < mst> w00t
04:17 < jrockway> hahah
04:17 < Penguin> err
04:17 < jrockway> everything related to alumni. is done by an outside vendor
04:17 < Penguin> right, & # before I look for faults of which I'll find many :P
04:18 < jrockway> try viewing the site in IE7
04:18 < jrockway> the JS is completely broken
04:18 < jrockway> fortunately that doesn't affect the copy that i'm working on -- the web designer is actually sane
04:19 < mst> yay
04:19 < mst> jrockway: so this is basically, "take this chunk of data, render a menu from it" ?
04:19 < jrockway> yeah
04:19 < jrockway> of course in slightly different ways; on the admin site you can edit everything
04:20 < jrockway> it's basically CRUD with a pretty layout though
04:20 < mst> yeah
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03:49 < holoway> mst: have you seen IPC::PubSub?
03:49 < mst> I wrote part of it
03:49 < holoway> I am suddenly not surprised
03:50 < mst> and it's a bit wank compared to cometd anyway
03:50 < holoway> some really interesting things could be done for web ui's with that
03:50 < holoway> ah, yeah, I guess comet does occupy a similar space
03:50 < mst> it's the same space
03:50 < mst> obra looked at cometd and decided it was too complicated
03:50 < mst> so he re-invented half a wheel. again.
03:51 < mst> given I'm actually part of the cometd project
03:51 < mst> and offered to mediate to try and find a simpler solution he could use
03:51 < mst> I'm not finding it vastly interesting
03:51 < mst> I just helped out because I was bored
03:52 < holoway> early versions of pulley used something like that written in spread
03:52 < holoway> s/in/with/g
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13:32 < mst> I HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW THE LAYOUT ENGINE NEEDS TO WORK
13:32 < mst> code coming soon :D
13:33 < mst> (this will sit between the viewports and the templates)
13:33 < zamolxes> write it on a book cover so humanity will search the answer for hundreds of years :)
13:33 < mst> hahahaha
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14:56 < Penguin> :-P
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17:29 <@blblack> I'm just now starting to look at reaction and try to use it
17:29 <@blblack> so now comes dumb question time :)
17:29 < Penguin> woo
17:29 < Penguin> gotta op me first ;)
17:29 <@blblack> is ComponentUI and example/test catalyst app?
17:29 -!- mode/#reaction [+o Penguin] by blblack
17:29 <@Penguin> woo
17:30 <@Penguin> and yes
17:30 -!- mode/#reaction [+ooo mst ningu phaylon] by Penguin
17:30 <@Penguin> & # ha
17:30 <@blblack> so I can pretty much look at ComponentUI for how to use Reaction in my Cat app?
17:30 <@Penguin> jshirley is working on an address book thing and mst wants to make a blog too
17:30 <@Penguin> for basic stuff yeah
17:31 <@Penguin> for advanced stuff, use the sauce
17:31  * Penguin flees for a bit
17:31 <@blblack> ]I just want to try to use it for forms built from DBIC classes
17:31  * blblack shoots at the fleeing penguin
17:31  * Penguin returns
17:31 <@Penguin> you'll need to add moosey bits to your dbic schemas, an action reflector class to your model, etc.
17:31 <@Penguin> see the example :P
17:31 <@Penguin> &
17:37 <@mst> blblack: ComponentUI is about your best bet atm, illustrates the basic CRUD stuff at least
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18:00 <@Penguin> back
18:00 <@phaylon> forth
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18:03 < ash> spinny
18:05 <@mst> BoiNg wOinG
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22:49 <@Penguin> jshirley: ping
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01:31 <@ningu> mst: any suggestions as to where to begin to understand wtf is going on in reaction? ;)
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01:31 <@ningu> ViewPort seems a reasonable one
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01:33 <@mst> yeah
01:34 <@ningu> it doesn't help that I don't totally understand Moose :) although it seems fairly straightforward
01:39 <@mst> heh
01:40 <@mst> another good place to start is RootController's begin and end methods
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01:41 <@ningu> yeah, was looking there
01:50  * ningu notes that the FAQ is incomplete, to say the least :)
01:50 <@mst> there's an FAQ?
01:50  * Penguin coughs
01:50 <@mst> oh, cool
01:50 <@mst> patches welcome!
01:51 <@ningu> ah, yeah, that depends on me knowing anything
01:52 <@ningu> I'm kinda getting the hang of Moose/Class::MOP/etc. though. some bits are somewhat unclear still, but it's pretty nifty. just takes some getting used to.
01:52 <@ningu> and the Reaction extension code for it is really mysterious at first ;)
01:53 <@Penguin> #moose is your friend too :)
01:54 <@ningu> mst: btw could you explain this line in Reaction::UI::Controller
01:54 <@ningu>   my $c = Catalyst::Controller::BindLex::_get_c_obj(4);
01:55 <@ningu> go up the stack 4 actions? whatever for?
01:55 <@mst> 4 caller frames
01:55 <@mst> or something
01:55 <@Penguin> what are frames?
01:55 <@ningu> yes, but is that just so you don't have to actually pass $c to push_viewport? or is it useful for some other reason?
01:56 <@mst> yes, and no, respectively
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03:45 <@jshirley> Penguin: pong
03:45 <@Penguin> ack
03:46 <@Penguin> how goes the address book? :)
03:46 <@jshirley> I didn't get much work on it ... was on a biz trip last 2 days.
03:46 <@jshirley> I'm starting to get more of the CRUD stuff ironed out though
03:46 <@jshirley> So, just need to get the various ViewPort stuff ironed out.
03:46 <@jshirley> I did read through a lot of the Reaction code (mostly through UI::*)
03:47 <@Penguin> aha :)
03:47  * Penguin has been looking at vbscript again
03:47 <@Penguin> :(
03:47 <@jshirley> heh, I'm sorry :)
03:47 <@jshirley> I'm going to have some QT with the family now... just got back into town a bit ago.  I'll be online and hacking on some of this stuff tomorrow.
03:48 <@Penguin> right
03:48 <@mst> fair enough dude, have fun
03:48 <@Penguin> aye, take care
03:56 <@ningu> mst: how come you use BindLex so much?
03:58 <@mst> it makes me happy :)
03:58 <@ningu> hehe
03:58 <@ningu> just seems a bit fragile, having looked at the code
03:58 <@Penguin> and a happy mst results in less beheaded people
03:58 <@ningu> and possibly inefficient
04:02 <@mst> yeah
04:02 <@mst> at some point I'll probably swear a lot, go through and rip it out of everything
04:03 <@mst> but it made it easier to get something working fast
04:03 <@ningu> well, I'm not denying that it's nifty
04:06 <@ningu> hrm.. what's the deal with the TT RECURSION option?
04:07 <@ningu> "Flag to permit recursion into templates (default: 0)."
04:07 <@Penguin> ARGH
04:07 <@ningu> you can clearly include templates recursively
04:07 <@ningu> by default
04:07 <@ningu> so what sort of thing does it mean?
04:07 <@Penguin> I have been rying to repress my memories of TT recursion after I got it to over 1000 levels deep
04:07 <@ningu> haha
04:08 <@Penguin> :(
04:08 <@Penguin> we had much fun trying to get TT "subclassing" working
04:10 <@ningu> hmm I see, so it's whether it lets a template include *itself*
04:11 <@Penguin> maybe
04:11 <@Penguin> at 4:15am my brain doesn't remember how it works :P
04:12 <@ningu> hehe
04:12 <@mst> yes, it is
04:12 <@mst> because we recurse heavily on the 'component' template
04:12 <@mst> which does glue duty
04:13 <@Penguin> most form widgets inherit from 'component'
04:13 <@Penguin> and a form may have many widgets
04:13 <@ningu> hmm
04:13 <@mst> err, no they don't
04:13 <@mst> component is the master template that launches everything else
04:13 <@Penguin> oh, don't mind me
04:13 <@Penguin> I'm thinking the wrong way round :P
04:15 <@ningu> yeah, I see how it works kinda
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14:22 <@Penguin> hello
14:22 <@Penguin> quiet here at the mo coz we're still asleep mostly :)
14:22 < fireartist> Penguin: was about to ask, the logs of /what/ exactly? ;)
14:23 <@Penguin> the times when mst is awake mostly :)
14:25 <@Penguin> http://ircmine.com/page/1/channel/45 :-O
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14:49 < fireartist> Penguin: thanks - "mining irc since 2006" nice :)
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15:05 < fireartist> Penguin: I've started work on a HTML::Widget replacement...
15:05 < fireartist> Penguin: then mst asked if I'd consider instead factoring out the equivalent reaction parts into a seperate dist...
15:06 < fireartist> Penguin: but I need to support non-Cat apps for $work - do you have any thoughts on that?
15:06 < fireartist> "run away"?
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15:46 <@jshirley> Oh, btw, a good point to put in the docs (I have it on mine) is that the templates require I18N to be loaded :)
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16:02 <@jshirley> The thing that I need to do for the address book is figure out how to have many_to_many lists off of an item... The address books are displayed, along with the necessary actions that work... but not sure how to construct the handler for listing the addresses based on an address book selection.
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17:20 <@Penguin> fireartist: argh, was afk - and now he's gone :(
17:20 <@Penguin> should be possible to make widgets generic enough to use by cat and non-cat apps
17:21 <@Penguin> jshirley: ahh, I keep forgetting about I18N :P
17:22 <@Penguin> hrm
17:23 <@Penguin> do you have a page with a list of address books, and you wanna select one/some/all of those, then only display the addresses which are in those books?
17:32 <@jshirley> Penguin: both, ideally :)
17:33 <@jshirley> I need to sync from my laptop, which is currently in windows and in use ... but I am going to modify the listview for address books, to allow a checkbox next to pass to some action that lists addresses for all selected address books
17:33 <@jshirley> This has been a fun learning experience... plane flights are great for reading source.
17:35 <@mst> heh
17:35 <@mst> I need to write the layout layer :)
17:35 <@mst> then that'll be trivial
17:35 <@jshirley> Damnit, get to it!
17:36 <@jshirley> Are you going to do that in the near future?
17:36 <@jshirley> (Should I wait to do this until that is done, since this is going to go to the Advent Calendar?)
17:43 <@Penguin> mst: did you see fireartist's comments earlier btw?
17:43 <@Penguin> jshirley: when is the deadline for the advent calender?
17:44 <@jshirley> Uhm, 12/24? :)
17:44 <@Penguin> right, I was thinking maybe 1st dec in case things need approving and such :P
17:45 <@jshirley> I don't think it is that formalized, really... I can bug kd about it
17:45 <@Penguin> ahh
17:46 <@jshirley> I'm going to spend thanksgiving with the 2 screencasts... :)
17:46 <@Penguin> fun fun :)
17:46 <@mst> Penguin: yes
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20:01 < kd> Penguin: I want to be 7 days ahead if possible
20:01 < kd> gives a free week available for firefighting :)
20:02 <@jshirley> kd: The screencasts have finally bubbled to the top of my todo list, so tomorrow I am knocking those out.
20:02 <@jshirley> kd: So that is 2 days that can be finalized.
20:03 < kd> reaction screencasts?
20:04 <@jshirley> kd: No, just Cat
20:04 <@jshirley> kd: I'm trying to get the Address Book up for Reaction... I think this may be better as a 2-day bit, though.
20:05 < kd> ok
20:05 < kd> anyway I'd like discussion of the a-c on @dev so that I don't have to remember anything ;)
20:06 <@jshirley> I saw the thread starting, I need to update it.
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01:16 <@Penguin> mst++
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11:29 < ash> right who wants to help me try to turn one of my H::Ws into Reaction?
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11:44 < kd> ash:   catalyst?
11:44 < ash> yeah
11:44 < ash> User Profile/registration widget
11:45 < kd> advent calendar write up?
11:45 < kd> assuming you can get some help :p
11:46 < ash> okay
11:47 < kd> :D
11:48 < ash> enopurl?
11:49 < kd> or in #tt
11:49 < ash> so whats the SVN for co?
11:50 < kd> I think that provides the componentUI
11:51 < kd> but I don't know really
11:51 < ash> SVN repos even
11:51  * ash wants a do over
11:51 < ash> so whats the SVN repos for reaction?
11:52 < kd> oh, hang on...
11:52 < ash> woh durl
11:52 < ash> its in the fskcing title
11:52 < kd> apparently svn co http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svn
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12:10 < kd> is a durl like a dunces uniform resource locator?
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12:37 < quicksilver> yup
12:44 < ash> joy - i've fucked my local SVK
12:44 < ash> mst: ping
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13:07 < ash> mst: i did this: http://lists.bestpractical.com/pipermail/svk-devel/2006-August/000115.html
13:10 < ash> tho suposedly it was fixed/not allows in march 2005
13:10 < ash> interesting
13:12 < ash> mst: unping
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14:14  * Penguin spies a bunch of revisions in the night by the reaction-fairy :P
14:15 <@mst> oh, hell yeah
14:15 <@mst> I'm about to convert half the tree :)
14:16 < Penguin> :-P
14:17 < Penguin> -    my $dt = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => $epoch );
14:17 < Penguin> +    my $dt = 'DateTime'->from_epoch( epoch => $epoch );
14:17 < Penguin> what was that for btw?
14:18 <@mst> cos of the new syntax
14:18 < Penguin> ahh
14:18 < Penguin> class exporter stuff looks like dark arts to me :P
14:18 <@mst> it's Field::DateTime so a DateTime symbol gets created
14:19 <@mst> it is :)
14:19 < Penguin> ahhhh
14:19 < Penguin> :P
14:19 <@mst> eventual aim is http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5271
14:19 <@mst> or so
14:19 < Penguin> oooh
14:20 <@mst> that should result in a much cleaner pager template :)
14:20 <@mst> and the function/on stuff will enable the auto-AJAX
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14:35 <@mst> more Class madness committed.
14:35 <@mst> now to try the conversion :)
14:35  * Penguin syncs
14:35  * Penguin waves to trym|work
14:37 < Penguin> :-O
14:37  * trym|work waves back
14:37 < Penguin> I have no idea what your latest commit actually _does_, but I'm mildly impressed it doesn't seem to have broken $client code AFAIK :)
14:37 <@mst> hehehe
14:37  * trym|work is ill (or sick for our american friends)
14:37 < Penguin> trym|work: you have american friends? :-O
14:37 < trym|work> I pretend to
14:38 < Penguin> ahh
14:38 < trym|work> I dont want to be invaded
14:38 < Penguin> :-P
14:38 <@mst> trym|work is definitely sick.
14:38  * Penguin nods in agreement
14:38 < trym|work> thats why our military buys american fighter planes, even though they suck
14:39 < Penguin> suppose can use jet engines to make toast and whatnot
14:39 < trym|work> but me being sick is chronic
14:39 < trym|work> my illness is something new
14:39 < trym|work> I feel skullfucked
14:40 < trym|work> wait.. thats not new
14:40  * trym|work blames it all on pne
14:40 < trym|work> Penguin: 
14:40 < trym|work> ERNOIFun
14:40 < Penguin> awww
14:40 < trym|work> ERNOIFun almost made sense.. it was just a random keyboard smash
14:41 < Penguin> I read it as "Error: No iFun"
14:41 < Penguin> :P
14:41 < trym|work> haha I know
14:41 < trym|work> monkey factor
14:41 < Penguin> heh
14:42 < trym|work> err my softraid is fucked
14:42 < Penguin> shouldn't your raid have some protection?
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15:06 < Penguin> !op
15:06 < Penguin> :P
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15:09 <@Penguin> mst: botsnack
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15:09 < Penguin> :'-(
15:09 -!- mode/#reaction [+o Penguin] by mst
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15:10 <@Penguin> heh
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15:46 < trym|work> scientology++
15:46 < trym|work> # for making it clear to more people that religion is absurd
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15:48 <@Penguin> heh
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16:13 < zamolxes> trym|work: Mrs Garrison? :)
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17:03 <@mst> right
17:03 <@mst> where was I
17:09 < ash> beats me
17:11 < quicksilver> mst: in a better place. But sadly  you're here now. Oh well.
17:12 <@mst> hehehe
17:12 <@mst> OMFG
17:12 <@mst> I think it lives.
17:22 <@mst> it does.
17:22 < ash> o_O
17:22 <@mst> Penguin: fear me, for I am legion.
17:22 <@mst> Penguin: and $client_app is not broken.
17:22 < jshirley> (yet)
17:22 < quicksilver> (not-broken-on-friday-pm)++
17:22 < jshirley> :)
17:25 <@mst> meh
17:25 <@mst> demo happened on a separate system earlier today
17:26  * jshirley wonders if mst is even aware that most people end their work week on Fridays.
17:26 <@mst> and they've gone from very annoyed to $PHB being LARTed repeatedly by his product manager and tech director because the latter can tell how much fucking work it was
17:28 <@Penguin> :-D
17:29 <@Penguin> there's an end to the work week? wtf?
17:29 <@mst> jshirley: eh?
17:30 <@mst> MONSTER COMMIT TIME!
17:30  * quicksilver commits his monster first
17:31 <@mst> svk is thinking.
17:31 <@mst> she's in
17:31 <@mst> SYNC AND BEHOLD, YE WHO DARE
17:32  * jshirley svn ups
17:32 < jshirley> # not a cool kid with svk
17:32 <@Penguin> svk up -s's
17:32 < quicksilver> bzr pull's
17:32  * quicksilver is so much of a cooler kid
17:39 <@mst> well, I reckon that proves the principle of my syntax fuckery anyway :)
17:40 <@Penguin> :-O
17:41  * Penguin just did a diff
17:41 <@mst> yeah, the script did most of the work
17:42 <@Penguin> +# (and don't have in svn at least. Oh, and it breaks horribly on with)
17:42 <@Penguin> ENOPARSE?
17:42 <@mst> with, as in roles
17:42 <@mst> the regexp is slightly wrong
17:42 <@mst> oh, and it hates POD as well
17:42 <@Penguin> ahh
17:42 <@mst> fortunately, that wasn't a major problem :)
17:42 <@Penguin> we have little pod
17:43 <@Penguin> heh
17:50  * jshirley svk syncs.
17:50 < jshirley> I'm cool now!
17:50 <@mst> hahaha
17:50 <@mst> jshirley: did you see my syntax sketch earlier?
17:50 < jshirley> Briefly -- I'm scared to look at the code that makes it work
17:51 <@mst> jshirley: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5271
17:51 < jshirley> The page_link_if stuff looks particularly nifty.
17:51 <@mst> is the eventual target
17:51 <@mst> right :)
17:51 < jshirley> Yeah, have it open now
17:51 <@mst> that's what I just tore the codebase apart for ;)
17:51 < ash> right - how's this merge editing malarky work?
17:52 <@mst> hmm
17:52 <@mst> I think I need to dump with in favour of does
17:52 <@mst> as an export
17:52 <@mst> for the declarative syntax
17:52 < jshirley> mst: did you want to use this new hotness for the address book example?
17:52 <@mst> with looks wrong now :)
17:53 <@mst> jshirley: tbh, this is going to replace all the current stuff
17:53 <@mst> so once it's implemented, most likely
17:53 < jshirley> k, I'm going to shelve the AB for the time being then.
17:53 <@mst> also, the function/on stuff is the hook I need for transparent JS partials.
17:53 < jshirley> I figure the schema won't change much, so that part is at least done.
17:53 <@mst> yeah, you might as well, sorry
17:53 < jshirley> Oh, no worries, was fun to play with what I got in there.
17:53 <@mst> but this will rock -so- much more :)
17:53 < jshirley> Besides, just typing "moosey bits" makes me giggle.
17:54 <@mst> I'm also intending to get rid of the double-declare crap using this
17:54 < jshirley> That would be awesome.
17:56 <@mst> that was only ever a stop-gap measure.
18:03 <@Penguin> ooooooooh
18:05 <@Penguin> wow
18:05 <@Penguin> and $client_app still appears to work!
18:05 <@mst> yep.
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18:56 < purge> man a self contained catalyst replacement for phpmyadmin would be killer app
18:56 < purge> (using reaction course)
18:56 < mst> On The List :)
18:56 < mst> oh hell but that's on the list.
18:57 < purge> :)
18:58 < mst> Schema::Loader + DBIC->Moose adopter + ActionReflector
18:58 < mst> plus a controller autogen thingy
18:58 < mst> should work lovely.
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19:03 < purge> i'd defo help out on that one
19:04 < purge> watches apache php and hateful things install...
19:06 < mst> awesome
19:06 < mst> it'd make a bloody cool demo app
19:06 < mst> mmm ... schema designer ...
19:11 < purge> if it would PAR up it would be more than cool
19:11 < mst> or crucible-ify
19:11 < purge> ?
19:13 < mst> codename for the generalised cat-install stuff I'm designing
19:13 < mst> which should build installers, PARs, RPMs etc. etc.
19:13 < purge> ahaa
19:13 < purge> i'm not sure what the deal is with database integration and par
19:13 < purge> i can imagine it being PITA
19:18  * purge snogs darwinports. phpmyadmin installed in one line
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17:57 < purge> i swear TT had some lazy fill var option
17:58 < purge> so you could define a variable further down a template and still get it seen above
17:58 < purge> damned if i can find it though
17:58 < ash> seems unlikely
17:59 < purge> i'm sure i read and thought yay cool that would be uberuseful
17:59 < konobi> possibly when declaring blocks?
17:59 < phaylon> purge: meta?
18:00 < phaylon> it's only static tho
18:00 < konobi> oh... meta and page
18:00 < phaylon> page?
18:01 < konobi> used with wrapper/view stuff iirc
18:02 < konobi> there's also component and template iirc
18:10 < purge> yeah i was getting confused with meta which is mostly useless
18:11 < phaylon> yea, I never used it...
18:12 < purge> i wanted some non-lame way of setting the title inside the included content
18:12 < phaylon> well, do you use WRAPPER?
18:12 < purge> yeah
18:13 < phaylon> I usually just have some set_page_title() callback in the stash which puts it into $c->stash->{page_title} or somewhere
18:13 < phaylon> then the outest wrapper.html reads and uses that
18:13 < phaylon> I also do that for additional stylesheets and stuff
18:14 < purge> so set_page_title gets read by $content before wrappers parsed?
18:14 < purge> i mean set by $content
18:15 < phaylon> wait, I'll explain the whole, takes a few secs
18:15 < konobi> purge: where you call WRAPPER foo.html... you can set variables which are then in the foo.html scope (along with content)
18:15 < phaylon> admin/conf/person.html is wrapped by config with wrapper.html
18:16 < phaylon> wrapper.html either wraps $content in outer_border.html or not (for ajax e.g.)
18:16 < phaylon> and outer_border.html has the <title>...</title>
18:16 < phaylon> so person.html always is running before outer_border.html
18:16 < purge> I see
18:16 < phaylon> and just sets the stash
18:17 < phaylon> the wrapper.html is just an IF/ELSE, depending on c.stash.no_wrap
18:17 < purge> heh... i didn't even think of trying that
18:17 < purge> its actually the easiest thing in the world
18:17 < purge> i assumed it was linear loading
18:17 < konobi> views are also a good way of doing these sort of things
18:17 < phaylon> well, it's a bit forward and backward, but I found it out while trying to solve the same problem you have :)
18:18 < phaylon> konobi: well, they're still experimental, right?
18:18 < konobi> phaylon: well, for the last 4 years
18:18 < phaylon> konobi: are they working well?
18:18 < konobi> phaylon: yup... for as much as i've used them
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15:13  * Penguin wonders where the topic went :-S
15:14 < Penguin> pah, enoops
15:23 < jshirley> where'd all the ops go!?
15:23  * jshirley cries with Penguin, opless in the corner.
15:23  * Penguin sobs :'-(
15:23 < Penguin> did the network fall apart when I was gona for a few days? :-S
15:24 < jshirley> Without your spirit, it couldn't hold together.
15:24 < Penguin> awww
15:27  * Penguin looks for his duct tape
15:28  * jshirley scoots to the other corner.
15:28 < ash> topic has gone on dbic as well
15:28 < jshirley> I still see the topic ...
15:28 < jshirley> topics, as it were..
15:28 < Penguin> I can't :-S
15:28 < ash> ah - netsplit issue then
15:28 < Penguin> #rt looks oddly empty too today
15:29 < Penguin> damn computers/software/networks!
15:29 < ash> we hats software!
15:29 < ash> *hates
15:29 < Penguin> nasty ssoftwareses!
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03:52 < Penguin> !op
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16:01 <@Penguin> pecan?
16:01 <@Penguin> do I want to know? :P
16:02 <@Penguin> [15:59:45] jshirley thinks you all are nuts.
16:02 <@Penguin> [15:59:54] mst [~matthewt@213.205.146.250] is now known as pecan
16:02 <@Penguin> oh :-P
16:02 <@jshirley> and then... he kicked me.
16:02 <@Penguin> heh
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12:24 < ash> Penguin: you did all the TT-fu for reaction didn't you?
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13:19 <@Penguin> yes, but I'll bbl - need to do a bit of reconstructiv surgery on my workstation
13:19 <@Penguin> (well maybe not _all_, but the bulk)
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19:53  * kaare wonders what makes the foo select field in bar's edit form.
19:53 < kaare> Why is it not an integer input field?
20:33 < Penguin> is that the one for the one to many?
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20:52 < kaare> Penguin: Yep
20:54 < kaare> Or rather: Why isn't foo_id an integer. Where's the connection?
20:54 < Penguin> look in RTest::TestDB::Bar
20:54 < Penguin> the rel name is foo, and it has:
20:54 < Penguin> has 'foo' => (isa => 'RTest::TestDB::Foo', is => 'rw', required => 1);
20:56 < Penguin> then in Reaction::UI::ViewPort::ActionForm, it detects that it's a rel, and renders a ChooseOne VP
20:56 < Penguin> viewport
20:56 < kaare> But the result will be stored in foo_id, right? Or am I mistaken?
20:56 < Penguin> that's right
20:57 < Penguin> being able to select from a drop down list seemed saner than expecting people to fill in an id number
20:59 < Penguin> the moosey lines added to the db schema generally tell reaction how it should render a field
20:59 < Penguin> Ideally we'd want the dbic info and the moose info to be combined :-S but not yet...
21:04 < kaare> So it finds out by itself that foo_id is the key of foo?
21:10 < Penguin> __PACKAGE__->belongs_to(
21:10 < Penguin>   'foo' => 'RTest::TestDB::Foo',
21:10 < Penguin>   { 'foreign.id' => 'self.foo_id' }
21:10 < Penguin> );
21:10 < Penguin> tells it that
21:12 < Penguin> annoyingly have to declare that it's the RTest::TestDB::Foo table both there, and in the moose  "has 'foo'" line
21:13 < kaare> Yeah, a bit heavy on the eyes.
21:14 < Penguin> if I magically get spare time one day I may see about writing a helper to make the moose lines at some point
21:15 < kaare> I don't rememeber ahving seen display_name before (?)
21:16 < Penguin> display_name is a sub which sets what name is displayed in the drop down lists for those records, and potentially on the listview
21:16 < Penguin> I haven't looked at compentui for a while, but in our production reaction app, every table has a display_name added
21:17 < Penguin> I normally have:  sub display_name {shift->id }
21:17 < Penguin> however something like:
21:17 < Penguin> sub display_name {
21:17 < Penguin>   my $self = shift;
21:17 < Penguin>   return '('.$self->coord_x_from.', '.$self->coord_y_from.') to ('.$self->coord_x_to.', '.$self->coord_y_to.')';
21:17 < Penguin> }
21:17 < Penguin> is handy for combining multiple fields
21:17 < kaare> I figured that out :-) But e.g. InstantCRUD has "use overload '""'"
21:17 < Penguin> ha, and I can't kick myself for not using shadowpaste atm!
21:18 < Penguin> ahh, not looked at InstantCRUD myself for aaaaaaaages :
21:18 < Penguin> :(
21:18 < kaare> mst was talking about removing the moosey bits all together. 
21:19 < Penguin> that comes in an ideal land when it's intregrated with dbic somehow :)
21:20 < kaare> I thought Reaction would be finished by Christmas ;-)
21:20 < Penguin> HAHAHAHA
21:21 < Penguin> actually I have the hope of releasing a version on cpan with docs by the end of january :
21:21 < Penguin> :)
21:21  * Penguin stabs needing to do $client work as well
21:21 < kaare> The big box i the advent calender for December 24 :-)
21:21 < Penguin> :-D
21:21 < Penguin> we'll see ;-)
21:22 < kaare> What docs do you have atm? Nothing? 1000 scattered notes?
21:23 < Penguin> a partially done FAQ, a partially done README, _tiny tiny_ bits of pod in one or two files, mst's brain in a coffee jar and some bits of irc log
21:23 < kaare> I was thinking to try to do a Beginner's Howto based on the CD example from DBIC. But as always I guess I can't really find the time.
21:24 < Penguin> think jshirley was planning to do something like that based on an address book app, but some of the internals of reaction have changed since then
21:24 < Penguin> time--
21:24 < Penguin> ank made a start on an internals guide, dunno how far he got in the end
21:24 < kaare> What exactly changed? I saw a lot of activity a week or so ago.
21:25  * Penguin points to mst
21:25 < Penguin> he made it "better" :)
21:25 < Penguin> or something
21:25 < ank> Penguin: I left the latest version checked-in
21:26 < Penguin> aha
21:26 < Penguin> http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svnweb/index.cgi/reaction/view/docs/FAQ.txt
21:28 < kaare> What really blows my mind is the Viewport thing. I think that I more or less understand up to that.
21:28 < Penguin> that perhaps needs a diagram :P
21:29 < Penguin> http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svnweb/index.cgi/reaction/browse/lib/Reaction/Manual/ also has some bits of docs
21:32 < Penguin> viewports can be thought of as an area on the screen in a way
21:32 < Penguin> so you've have one outer viewport, than a viewport for a form, then viewports for each of the fields, etc.
21:32 < Penguin> When we have AJAX magic bolted on should be possibly to only render particular viewports for instance
21:33 < Penguin> Ideally we need some docs explaining focus stacks, tangents, viewports and other UI stuff
21:33 < kaare> If you want someone to understand it, yes :-)
21:34 < kaare> What does viewport accomplish that an old fashioned view doesn't?
21:35 < kaare> a viewport
21:35 < Penguin> nesting?
21:36 < Penguin> the catalyst view still exists
21:37 < kaare> Why will I want nesting? Will it make it easier to build complex pages?
21:38 < Penguin> in theory :)
21:38 < Penguin> in reaction forms and listviews and fields within those are potentially all viewports
21:38 < kaare> What is a tangent?
21:38 < Penguin> good question
21:39 < kaare> I try to understand what controlds what :-)
21:39 < kaare> And focus stacks??
21:39 < Penguin> a page may have two separate viewports, and the inner vps one of can access the other vp via tangents
21:39 < Penguin> err
21:40 < Penguin> something related to that :P
21:40  * Penguin pokes his own brain
21:40  * Penguin handwaves at the answer being in mst's brain
21:40 < Penguin> related to popping vps off a stack for rendering IIRC
21:41 < kaare> Ah, OK. Partly understandably :-)
21:42 < holoway> I have always sensed that Reaction is going to be one of those things that hurts your brain till you wrap your head around the basics
21:42 < Penguin> holoway: yes :)
21:42 < holoway> DBIx::Class is like that until you understand ResultSets
21:42 < Penguin> I have spent today doing vbscript with ado and ms access, my brain is melty :P
21:43 < holoway> Penguin: ouch
21:43 < kaare> Penguin: Ugh!
21:43 < Penguin> I have spent today doing vbscript with ado and ms access WHICH WAS WRITTEN MY IDIOTS WHICH I HAVE TO FIX, my brain is melty :P
21:43 < Penguin> rather :P
21:43 < Penguin> response.Write("<BR>some shit<br />")   <-- an actual line I found :-S
21:45 < kaare> Hehe. Reminds me of comments I've found. Like "This code doesn't work. Someone ought to fix it".
21:45 < Penguin> heh
21:46  * kaare thinks that he has to understand tangents and focus stacks to be able to write the parent:child page he needs.
21:48 < Penguin> possibly :-S
21:49  * kaare shudders
21:51 < Penguin> you need to pick mst's brain at some points methinks
21:51 < Penguin> you familar with moose already btw?
21:54 < kaare> Only from what I've seen through Reaction. It's a big moose.
21:55 < Penguin> ah :)
21:55 < Penguin> knowing about moose constraint types is handy at times
21:56 < Penguin> Reaction adds a few more of it's own though
21:58 < kaare> Yeah there are Reaction::Types
21:58 < Penguin> Reaction::Types::*
21:58 < Penguin> to be pedantic ;)
21:59 < kaare> School Teacher!
22:01 < Penguin> though slightly annoyingly db type 'varchar', reaction type 'simplestr', viewport field 'string' and template 'textfield' all have different names!
22:01 < Penguin> s/annoyingly/confusingly/
22:05  * kaare akways uses db type text instead of varchar.
22:05 < kaare> always.
22:08  * Penguin almost always uses varchar :)
22:08 < Penguin> there is a difference, but I forget what it is offhand
22:08 < kaare> Length constraint.
22:08 < Penguin> similar problem in naming for INT, Num and textfield too
22:08 < Penguin> ahhh
22:09 < kaare> At least for PostgreSQL
22:09  * Penguin is a mysql fanboy
22:14 < ash> Penguin: innodb blows tho
22:15 < Penguin> myisam has it's uses, but it kinda simplistic
22:15  * Penguin points how he's been using ye olde ms access today - sqlite has it's uses :P
22:16 < Penguin> looking into postgres in more detail is on some kind of to do list of mine though
22:18 < ash> same - after ive finished $current_project
22:19 < Penguin> probably march at this rate for me :(
22:19 < Penguin> given reaction docs come first
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20:06 < groditi> and how crud actions should really essentially be roles
20:07 < groditi> use base ...Controller; use Moose;  with => CRUD::Create; with => CRUD => Search. ...
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02:02 < Penguin> rargh
02:02 < Penguin> seems emptier than usual in here :-S
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02:03 < Penguin> anyway,  rargh, my latest project ignores it's TT for non-reaction bits when I bolted on reaction, grr
02:03 < mst> likely you're using RenderView for the non-R stuff
02:03 < mst> and didn't set $c->config->default_view
02:03 < mst> so it's getting the reaction view instead of the normal one
02:04 < Penguin> I set view_name => 'TT' in the non-reaction controller
02:04 < Penguin> but I indeed did not set default_view :P
02:04 < mst> view_name is a reaction thing
02:04 < mst> RenderView uses the standard Cat stuff
02:05 < Penguin> ahhhhh
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02:11 < Penguin> do I still want sub end :ActionClass('RenderView') {}  in the non-reaction root controller?
02:11 < mst> yes
02:15 < Penguin> and:
02:15 < Penguin> __PACKAGE__->config(
02:15 < Penguin>   default_view => 'TT',
02:15 < Penguin>   namespace => '',
02:15 < Penguin> );
02:15 < Penguin> ?
02:18 < mst> no, default_view is app-global
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02:23 < Penguin> hrm, I'd have kicked myself if my reactions were quicked than 4 minutes :-P
02:23 < Penguin> quicket
02:23 < Penguin> quicker
02:23 < Penguin> yeh
02:23 < mst> which reminds me
02:24 -!- mode/#reaction [+oooo mst Penguin holoway jshirley] by mst
02:24 <@Penguin> w00
02:26 <@Penguin> right, I set default_view in myapp.pm
02:26 <@Penguin> instead
02:27 <@mst> yep
02:27 <@Penguin> No default action defined :(
02:27 <@mst> eh?
02:27 <@Penguin> is the error it now gives
02:31 <@mst> nothing's matching the URI and you've not got a 'sub default' in Root.pm that 404s
02:33 <@Penguin> a 'sub default' in Root.pm that 404s you say?
02:33  * Penguin coughs
02:34 <@Penguin> oh wait, I do
02:34 <@Penguin> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5753
02:35  * Penguin looks at see what his brain thought was handling /
02:36 <@mst> hmm
02:37 <@Penguin> sub index :Private by the looks of it
02:37 <@Penguin> that just sets the template for the homepag
02:37 <@Penguin> e
02:38 <@mst> yea
02:39 <@mst> what do you get 'no default action defined' -from- ?
02:39 <@Penguin> going to / and it displays: "[error] No default action defined" on the command line
02:40 <@Penguin> it displayed the text, just out the outer wrapper before I added the default_view line
02:45 <@Penguin> I deleted the namespace line while moving the default_view line
02:45 <@Penguin> doh :P
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13:28 < Penguin> this seems even more empty than yesterday :-S
13:36 < Penguin> Caught exception in Picture::Controller::AdminBase->base "Can't call method "push_viewport" on an undefined value at /rargh/../lib/Reaction/UI/Controller.pm line 34." = pah
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13:39 <@mst> Penguin: lack of UI::RootController
13:39 < shellshark> what is Reaction?
13:40 <@mst> UI metamodel layer built on top of Catalyst, Moose and DBIx::Class
13:40 < Penguin> I have http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5759 - but also have a non-reaction controller handling the login page in /admin
13:40  * Penguin ponders
13:41 < shellshark> mst: nifty
13:41 < shellshark> mst: so like, a CMS engine? :)
13:41 < shellshark> "metamodel" -- what's this? :P
13:42 <@mst> no, not a CMS engine
13:42 <@mst> a high-level web framework
13:42 < shellshark> isn't that what catalyst is?
13:42 < Penguin> http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svnweb/index.cgi/reaction/view/docs/FAQ.txt has a little bit more info on it
13:42 < shellshark> cool
13:42 < shellshark> where is a shorten bot when you need it? :p
13:43 < Penguin> Penguin: shorten
13:43 < Penguin> http://tinyurl.com/y5egvy
13:43 < shellshark> w00t :)
13:43 <@mst> shellshark: some of us have working copy and paste :)
13:43  * Penguin points out he is not a bot, and had to do that by hand :P
13:43 < shellshark> mst: some of us have dedicated boxes for IRC ;)
13:44 < shellshark> whoa, that text file just sent me a cookie...
13:44 < shellshark> and magically, it rendered as text/html ;)
13:45 < Penguin> it's a webpage which shows a text file, not a real text file :P
13:46 < Penguin> http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svnweb/index.cgi/reaction/checkout/docs/FAQ.txt is a real text file I think
13:46 < shellshark> wow
13:46 < shellshark> all this shit is way over my head ;)
13:47 < shellshark> very cool concepts though, indeed
13:47 < Penguin> takes a while to get your head around, but is shiny when it does :)
13:47 < shellshark> i'm still using DBI directly, so even the idea of an ORM is new to me ;)
13:47 < Penguin> oooh
13:48 < Penguin> getting your head around DBIx::Class' resultset would be a good start from that pov :)
13:48 < Penguin> ideally we'll be making more reaction docs in the coming weeks/months, as they are somewhat lacking right now
13:49 < shellshark> the idea of MVC is new to me too ;)
13:49 < Penguin> right, reaction is perhaps going to be overly confusing then :)
13:49 < Penguin> but trial by fire can be cool *nods*
13:50 < shellshark> of course I always seperated my content from application before, but i think the whole MVC model is different ;)
13:50 < shellshark> (trial by fire)++
13:50 < Penguin> more layers :)
13:50 <@mst> MVC isn't really that complicated
13:50 <@mst> V == presentation
13:50 <@mst> M == business logic
13:50 <@mst> C == glue and app logic
13:50 < Penguin> aye
13:51 <@mst> that's a bit simplified, but it's close enough
13:51 < shellshark> man i installed Catalyst and was going through the tutorial... got my little skeleton app up and running, and hit it with a browser... it's WAY faster than Apache/CGI
13:51 < Penguin> :)
13:51 < shellshark> so all of my web apps can run as their own dedicated server eh?
13:52 < shellshark> that'd be the cat's meow :P
13:52 < shellshark> take the Apache overhead out of the mix
13:52 <@mst> you -could-, I tend to use apache+fastcgi
13:52 < Penguin> I'd still tend to use Apache for production apps, not sure how well the test server scales
13:52 <@mst> apache itself isn't the overhead, repeated process spawning is the overhead
13:53 < shellshark> mst: so wouldn't it be ideal to use mod_perl?
13:53 <@mst> shellshark: why do you want to go to the trouble of running two apaches?
13:58 < shellshark> i dont?
13:58 <@mst> using mod_perl in the front-end is retarded, risky and resource-hungry
13:59 <@mst> you either run a non-MP apache on the front to do static content on the back
13:59 <@mst> or you run FCGI on the back and save yourself a second apache
14:00 < shellshark> well i like the idea of using mod_perl to maintain a persistant database connection
14:00 <@mst> fastcgi does that as well
14:00 < Penguin> fastcgi++
14:01 < shellshark> ah, did not know that
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14:01 < Penguin> !op
14:01 < Penguin> haha
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14:03 < shellshark> ouch ;)
14:03 <@Penguin> wb :P
14:05 < shellshark> danke :p
14:06 <@Penguin> right, I've now lost where I as up to completely :P
14:09 <@Penguin> ah yes, why my CRUDcontrollers don't work
14:14 <@Penguin> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5759 is sane isn't it? :-S then base => { Chained => '/adminbase/base', PathPart => 'user' } in the crudcontroller. It seems to be chained together, given it complains about the viewport in both adminbase and the list action
14:14  * Penguin also made a Picture::Web::Model::Action for the actionreflector code
14:52 <@Penguin> grrr
15:02 <@mst> still arguing?
15:03 <@mst> check the namespaces, push_viewport operates on the focus stack that's setup in the rootcontroller's begin
15:06 <@Penguin> the grr was actually to many things, including someone who owes me money who has started drinking while at work :P
15:06 <@Penguin> but anyway, I think the problem is due to me calling to many things the same name
15:06 <@Penguin> and ended up with the chain going: adminbase/base, admin/user/base, admin/user/object, admin/user/update
15:06 <@Penguin> admin is the non-reaction bit
15:07 <@Penguin> YES
15:07 <@Penguin> it lives now
15:07 <@Penguin> :-D
15:07 <@Penguin> now to give things sane semi-permanent names :(
15:08 <@mst> hehehe
15:08 <@Penguin> I also made an ER diagram for this project........ it's so tiny!
15:09 <@Penguin> http://www.myrealm.co.uk/diagram.png
15:09 <@Penguin> I can actually _see_ all the rels and understand it without injecting caffeine straight into my heart (unlike some other projects :P)
15:10 <@mst> hehehe
15:13 <@Penguin> FSVO of lives
15:13 <@Penguin> just noticed the bulk of the text labels are missing
15:13 <@mst> no Plugin::I18N in the base app
15:14 <@Penguin> aha, yes
15:16 <@Penguin> hrm, most... not all.. implied I've missed a loc() somewhere in the reaction templates
15:18  * Penguin commits a tweak
15:28 <@Penguin> pah
15:28 <@Penguin> [error] Caught exception in Picture::Controller::Admin::News->update "no such Model Action::UpdateNews
15:28 <@Penguin> and similar for create/delete :-S
15:30 <@mst> then you didn't reflect appropriately :)
15:30  * mst looks forward to deprecating ActionReflector
15:30 <@mst> and push_viewport
15:30 <@mst> and ... :)
15:31 <@Penguin> pah :P
15:32 <@Penguin> hrm
15:33  * Penguin look at order by
15:33 <@Penguin> if you have a listview with a FK, the header of the table is the rel name and the cells are whatever display_name of the foreign table are, yes?
15:34 <@mst> should be I -think-
15:35 <@Penguin> what happens when trying to order by that field by clicking on the <th> ?
15:36  * Penguin tests
15:36 <@Penguin> pah it does try "ORDER BY rel_name" and b0rks
15:36 <@mst> piss
15:37 <@mst> disable the link for the mo
15:37 <@Penguin> right
15:37  * Penguin adds to do list
15:41 <@Penguin> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5761 seem sane?
15:44 <@mst> yes
15:47 <@Penguin> meh, still not finding the crud actions
15:48 <@mst> look at the startup log?
15:51 <@Penguin> http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5762 looked promising
15:51 <@Penguin> as did http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5763
15:54 <@mst> but that's completely useless since I need to see the section with the *MODEL* stuff in it
15:55 <@Penguin> ah :P
15:57 < shadowpaste> Someone at 80.192.177.212 pasted "cain:~/Picture$ ./script/pictu" (232 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5764
15:58 <@mst> Penguin: cat app called Picture
15:58 <@mst> Penguin: Action.pm has package Picture::Web::Model::Action
15:59 <@Penguin> arse
15:59 <@Penguin> arse
15:59 <@Penguin> arse
15:59 <@Penguin> arse
15:59 <@Penguin> arse
15:59 <@Penguin> arse
15:59 <@Penguin> :'-(
15:59  * Penguin blames LL for making him put ::Web on :P
16:00 <@Penguin> works now :)
16:00  * mst blames penguin for not putting ::Web on the whole app :P
16:00  * Penguin will put on ::Web while it's at it then :P
16:03 <@jshirley> Penguin: creating a Reaction photo gallery? :-D
16:03 <@Penguin> effectively yes :P
16:03  * jshirley needs to destroy zenphoto
16:03 <@Penguin> zenphoto?
16:03  * mst needs to destroy tokyo
16:03 <@mst> how else can I call myself mecha mst? :)
16:03 <@Penguin> :-P
16:04 <@jshirley> Penguin: zenphoto is a PHP based photo gallery that allows you to just dump your images to disk and it picks them up and organizes them.
16:04 <@jshirley> Instead of a stupid upload-widget..
16:05 <@Penguin> ahh, this will be stupid upload widget based
16:05 <@Penguin> I don't trust my client having access to the disk directly :P
16:05 <@mst> which reminds me
16:05 <@mst> Reaction::DAV is required at some point.
16:05 <@jshirley> mst: pick up a chain saw?
16:05 <@Penguin> ooooh
16:05 <@jshirley> Penguin: Well, will the source for this be available?
16:05 <@jshirley> If so I can hack it to look on disk, too :)
16:06 <@Penguin> Picture::Web is gonna be part CMS, part image gallery - and is replacing a UTTERLY SHIT vbscript/asp/ms access project :P
16:06 <@Penguin> quite possibly yes :)
16:06 <@Penguin> though not 'til next month as I only bolted on reaction yesterday and it's still in pieces :P
16:07 <@Penguin> Ideally I'll be bolting on a dojo html editor, rss feeds and shit like that in the end too
16:07 <@jshirley> Dojo's html editor sucks ass.
16:07 <@jshirley> There is actually the only part of Dojo that I think sucks ass.
16:08  * Penguin is making do with a textarea atm, with some JS buttons to add simple tags - not wysiwyg at all
16:08 <@mst> jshirley: why?
16:08 <@mst> also, are you talking Editor or Editor2 ?
16:09 <@Penguin> Nested galleries is something the paying $client doesn't care about, but I'll probably add in my own time anyway when I release the source
16:09 <@jshirley> mst: my biggest gripe is .,.. just sec, let me demonstrate
16:14 <@jshirley> sorry, had baby duty
16:14 <@jshirley> hrm, not linkable.
16:15 <@jshirley> If you pull up the editor, it doesn't put the content area (or at least didn't the last time I looked) in a separate viewport than the control bar.  So if you have a lot of content, you either have to put in ugly hacks to detach the toolbar so it won't scroll off the screen.
16:15 <@jshirley> And I FCKeditor is much, much, much better
16:15 <@jshirley> er, "I think"
16:17 <@mst> are you talkingf about Editor or Editor2 ?
16:17 <@mst> cos liu cougar is substantially involved in Editor2 ...
16:21 <@jshirley> Hmm, maybe just Editor.
16:21 <@jshirley> I stopped using Dojo for UI stuff a while ago.
16:21 <@jshirley> The Moxie demo app still has those problems though.
16:21 <@jshirley> Ergo, "ass-tastic"
16:21 <@mst> also
16:22 <@jshirley> And their website is not really link friendly, that's rather annoying.
16:22 <@mst> the Editor widget itself is a wrapper round a richtext pane and a toolbar pane
16:22 <@mst> it's trivial to create them separately
16:22 <@mst> so really, that's pilot error
16:22 <@mst> it's not even an ugly hack to detach the toolbar
16:22 <@jshirley> Trivial, but I call it an ugly hack.
16:22 <@mst> it's fucking trivial
16:22 <@mst> why?
16:22 <@mst> OH NOES I HAVE TO WRITE A LINE OF CODE
16:22 <@mst> go use visual studio then ...
16:22 <@Penguin> :-O
16:22 <@jshirley> Because the user experience of it is fucking retarded by default.
16:23 <@jshirley> I shouldn't have to put in any code to make the user experience be "acceptable"
16:23 <@mst> presumably jot, who paid for the original, preferred it that way
16:23 <@mst> UI is opinion-based
16:23 <@mst> I happen to agree with your opinion
16:23 <@mst> but neither of us paid for it to be developed
16:23 <@jshirley> And I use FCKeditor :)
16:24 <@jshirley> At least the last time I compared (~8 months ago maybe?) FCKeditor was significantly faster, both in terms of response times and load times.
16:24 <@jshirley> I gotta go do more baby duty
16:24 <@jshirley> back later
16:24 <@jshirley> (wife sick, busy weekend :/)
16:25 <@mst> err, yeah, that's gotta be an old Editor thenm
16:26  * mst checks
16:26 <@mst> jshirley: yep, Editor2 the toolbar stops at the top of the screen and stays there :D
16:29 <@mst> jshirley: http://archive.dojotoolkit.org/nightly/tests/widget/Editor/test_Editor2.html
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17:25 <@Penguin> woo, more people
17:25 <@mst> irc.perl.org rrdns is playing silly buggers
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17:42 < shadowpaste> "Penguin" at 80.192.177.212 pasted "This sane?" (49 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5765
17:42 <@Penguin> Argument "2006-12-17 17:14:52" isn't numeric in numeric eq (==) at /home/jamiec/perl/site/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/i686-linux/DateTime.pm line 1464.
17:42 <@Penguin> [error] Caught exception in Picture::Web::Controller::Admin->end "A DateTime object can only be compared to another DateTime object (DateTime=HASH(0x9c1c718), 2006-12-17 17:14:52). at /home/jamiec/perl/site/lib/perl5/DBIx/Class/Row.pm line 246"
17:42 <@Penguin> c
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17:43 <@mst> forgot to load InflateColumn::DateTime
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17:44 <@Penguin> yes :P
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22:31  * Penguin commits a template bug fix
22:31 <@Penguin> woo, default datetime formatting in listviews doesn't contain a T anymore :)
22:36 <@mst> *grin*
22:36  * Penguin mutters about overwriting variable values part way down the tangled tree of TT widget inheritance :P
22:41 <@mst> yeah
22:41 <@mst> this is why the layout layer will tear most of that out
22:41 <@mst> TT isn't powerful enough to do the job
22:43 <@Penguin> ahhh
22:43  * Penguin thinks he may have just solved the fields not lining up nicely, yet tables would be a pita and standard two column css isn't easily generateableness with reaction
22:44 <@Penguin> pity to display 2 checkboxes took me 7 divs :-S
22:44 <@mst> hehehe
22:45 < shadowpaste> "Penguin" at 80.192.177.212 pasted "Just in case anyone else actually cares :-P" (30 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/5787
22:47 <@mst> nice.
22:47 <@Penguin> and yes I know the id attributes are invalid
22:47 <@Penguin> but again, bet no-one else even notices :P
22:47  * mst shrugs
22:47 <@Penguin> hrm, guess I should test it in IE before I make a template
22:52 <@Penguin> ... it does work
23:02 <@Penguin> pah, I'm not convinced it's generic enough for including in reaction though atm
23:02 <@Penguin> also, when clicking on a checkbox in IE very fast, sometimes it stops you by disabling it very briefly :-s wtf
23:02 <@mst> maybe in a skin later
23:02  * Penguin nods
23:03 <@Penguin> annoyingly it depends on the width of the thing it's in to not make it look shit
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00:56 <@Penguin> mst: define the following terms: viewport, focus stack, focus tangent
00:56 <@Penguin> and then we shall have more docs ;)
01:15 <@mst> viewport ... didn't ank get a definition of that into summat already?
01:16  * Penguin checks
01:16 <@Penguin> he's got the domain, domain interface, etc, side of it, rather than the UI side I think
01:16 <@mst> right
01:17 <@mst> will try in a bit then
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16:19 -!- Irssi: #reaction: Total of 29 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal]
16:19 < Penguin> w00t
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17:57 < victori> reaction svn?
17:57 < victori> purl, reaction?
17:57 < victori> reaction?
17:58 < victori> purl failed
17:58 <@mst> heh
17:58 <@mst> purl isn't in here
17:58 <@mst> http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svn
17:58 < victori> thanks
17:58 < victori> how many people you got contributing to reaction now?
17:59 < Penguin> argh, ENOOPS
17:59 < Penguin> EPIECEOFSHITIRCCLIENT too
18:00  * Penguin may have to look into irsii at some point :P
18:01 -!- mode/#reaction [+o Penguin] by mst
18:01 -!- Penguin changed the topic of #reaction to: SVN: http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svn | Web: http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svnweb/index.cgi/reaction | Reaction
18:01 <@Penguin> damn
18:02 -!- Penguin changed the topic of #reaction to: Reaction = SVN: http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svn + Web: http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svnweb/index.cgi/reaction
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18:10 <@Penguin> victori: not many commits lately other than the odd template tweak from me, everyone seems busy with other things atm :(
18:10 <@Penguin> oh, and mst did a re-jig of things a week or two ago, so things are a bit fluid
18:11 < victori> I see some stuff that can be redone with javascript to avoid refreshes
18:11 < victori> like the multiple select to multiple select transition
18:11 <@Penguin> ah, ajax magic?
18:11 < victori> yes
18:12 < victori> also sorting can be ajaxed
18:13 <@Penguin> ideally for sorting  we'd probably eventually want a fancy ajax version, but still have a non-js method (currently clicking on the column header makes the page reload) to fall back on
18:13 <@mst> victori: the idea is that all this will be ajaxed later.
18:13 <@mst> sorting can't be though.
18:13 <@mst> well, it can
18:13 <@mst> but only partials
18:13 <@mst> victori: that's what the layout layer is for
18:13 <@mst> lays the infrastructure to make anything a potential partial
18:14 < victori> I have a sorting thing in my typeface project with categories - but its not very elegant since it requires a call back to backend'
18:15 <@mst> that's usually better
18:15 <@mst> if you can make the call back fast
18:15 <@mst> since you need it for page/sorting combined
18:15 < victori> mst if I was to look at integrating reaction with typeface as of this week, will I face any radical changes in reaction which would be a headache later?
18:16 < quicksilver> unless you're dealing with *VAST* quantities of data you can probably load everything async and do client-side paging when its loaded
18:16 < victori> I can use the UI views for sure
18:16 < quicksilver> I've loaded pretty big arrays into JS without a problem
18:16 <@mst> victori: you'll end up transitioning stuff
18:16 <@mst> but that's not overly painful
18:17 <@mst> since we have code we have to transition as well :)
18:17 < victori> ya I would expect that
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21:51 <@Penguin> hrm, no auto re-join
21:53 < Penguin_> nevah! I'm gonna have to make a symlink to it though I think, given my shell makes me type only the correct spelling before it executes things :(
21:53 <@Penguin> er, wrong window
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03:45 < Penguin> !op ? :-P
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08:37 < trym|work> you suck Penguin!
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18:00 < ted> Is there a reaction mailing list?
18:00 <@mst> not yet, no
18:00 <@mst> we're mostly infesting the catalyst list so far as people are asking questions other than on IRC
18:01 < ted> I was curious as to whether there is more example code (in lieu of docs)
18:01 < ted> It's interesting, but I don't quite "get it"
18:01 <@mst> more examples coming as we have time
18:01 <@mst> I have one more major component to assemble (the layout layer)
18:02 <@mst> and then I'm gonna start kicking at some sample apps
18:02 <@mst> the problem atm is the main reaction codebase in existence is a client app
18:02 < ted> Basically, the idea is that you have components that are loaded in response to reflection of model objects?
18:02 <@mst> that's the interface model stuff
18:02 < ted> Yeah, I noticed that - but it was handy to have at least that example
18:02 <@mst> just consider them to be first-class method prototypes
18:03 <@mst> at some stage I'll probably make them exactly that
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16:47 <@mst> holoway: zerobeta svnwebs have fucked themselves, any chance you could kick when you get a mo?
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21:01 <@holoway> mst: sure
21:01 <@holoway> they still b0rked?
21:07 <@holoway> [runts]$ ./index.cgi 
21:07 <@holoway> /usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /home/zerobeta/site/perl/lib/perl/5.8.4/auto/SVN/_Core/_Core.so: undefined symbol: svn_swig_pl_get_current_pool
21:07 <@holoway> that's a yes
21:07 <@holoway> :)
21:17 <@holoway> I think the issue is that they have included the SVN Core stuff in the stock dreamhost
21:17 <@holoway> which is causing the dynamic linking to get the wrong symbols
21:17 <@holoway> I'm going to sputch the local install of SVN core and friends
21:23 <@holoway> fixed
21:23 <@holoway> that was indeed the problem
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01:25 <@holoway> mst: you saw that svnweb is back, ya?
01:25 <@mst> yeah, ta
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03:38 <@mst> Penguin
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15:33 < Penguin>  mst
15:38 < kaare> Unfinished work: http://www.jasonic.dk/reaction.html
15:38 < kaare> And I really don't get the viewport/focus stack/tangent thing
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19:48 < LTjake> mst: sorry, went afk for a sec.
19:49 < LTjake> mst: is there a good place to look to see what reaction "offers"?
19:49 <@mst> LTjake: mmm
19:49 <@mst> the ComponentUI app shows how form and listview processing hangs together
19:52  * LTjake adds reaction to his svk mirrors.
19:55 < LTjake> i'll play with that app a bit once the sync is done.
19:55 <@mst> yeah
19:55 <@mst> also, I'm gonna be adding some more code in the next day or two
19:55 <@mst> and hopefully expanding the examples a bit soon
19:55 <@mst> just so fucking much crap to do
20:00 < LTjake> aye. :)
20:02 < LTjake> it would probably help if i knew moose a little more intimately...
20:02 <@mst> cuddle a moose and it has unexpected yaks
20:02 <@mst> then you have to shave the little buggers
20:02 <@mst> :_)
20:02 <@mst> ?win 2
20:02 <@mst> feh
20:03 < LTjake> welcome to #reaction, where men are men and moose are scared.
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20:42 < LTjake> mst: ComponentUI is pretty slick. i finally understand what you meant by domain model and interface model.
20:42 < sheriff> How finished is reaction?
20:43 <@mst> about as finished as DBIx::Class was when I burst into tears and started doing proper release cycles because I had too many production users already
20:44 < sheriff> can you give me a better metric?
20:44 <@mst> we're using it in production happily
20:45 <@mst> a few other people are developing with it with a view to doing so
20:45 <@mst> but not too many, yet
20:45 < sheriff> What functionality can it provide in its current state?
20:46 <@mst> app metamodel, reflexive crud, subclassable listview and form handling
20:46 <@mst> automatic validation, a TT template subclassing system
20:46 <@mst> everything i18n'ed by default
20:46 <@mst> and you can fall back to plain catalyst any time you want to
20:46 < sheriff> cool, ok, I'm sold
20:47 < LTjake> =)
20:47 <@mst> what it doesn't have is anything particularly useful in the way of docs yet :)
20:47 < chansen> mst: how far does the I18N go?
20:47 < sheriff> How hard would it be for me to get SVN access tso I can write them as I go?
20:47 <@mst> sheriff: gimme an htpasswd line :)
20:47 <@mst> chansen: ?
20:47 < sheriff> k, I'm sold
20:48 < sheriff> Development starts tomorrow
20:48 <@mst> I'm going to be adding and refactoring stuff as time goes on
20:48 < chansen> mst: collation, datetime, message catalogs, numbers, etc
20:48 <@mst> but I have production stuff running on it
20:48 <@mst> so I can't break compat at this stage
20:48 <@mst> I may deprecation-cycle some stuff over time
20:49 <@mst> but nothing will vanish overnight
20:49 <@mst> chansen: what I'm currently doing is working towards passing [_] stuff everywhere and using _quant etc.
20:49 <@mst> chansen: it'll get more elegant as time goes on, I hope
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20:52 < chansen> mst: message catalogs is only one small part in a application/framework before it's I18N, collation, monetary, numeric and datetime is also needed before an app is I18N:ized
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20:52  * castaway pounces on mst
20:53 < castaway> happy now? ;)
20:53 <@mst> chansen: well add features to C::P::I18N and I'll use them
20:53  * mst purrs
20:53 <@mst> ohyes :D
20:53 < castaway> enotopic?
20:54 -!- mst changed the topic of #reaction to: Reaction = SVN: http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svn + Web: http://code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svnweb/index.cgi/reaction
20:54 < castaway> merci
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20:55 < chansen> mst: C::P::I18N only deals with message catalogs, so that wont happen
20:55 <@mst> bah :)
20:55 <@mst> chansen: then point which modules I need to use to handle the rest
20:55 <@mst> or send patches :P
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20:56 < chansen> DateTime provides timezones and locale data, good start for DateTime
20:56 < castaway> quite busy in here
20:56 < chansen> mst: collation:  http://search.cpan.org/dist/Unicode-Collate/Collate.pm
20:59 < LTjake> mst: i'm not really sure how to ask/say this -- the component ui test app is neat and i'd like to mess with it by trying to add a "feed" view for a resultset of particular row. once i get marching on it, would that be something you'd like to see contributed back into the reaction base? [or perhaps that should stay the hell out of there? :]
21:01 < chansen> mst: does DBIx::Class support SQl statements like "SELECT [expression] COLLATE swedish" ?
21:02 < castaway> chansen: if you cheat a little ;)
21:02 <@mst> LTjake: yes please
21:02 < castaway> order_by => [ '1 collate swedish'] ;)
21:02 < chansen> castaway: ok, thanks
21:02 <@mst> chansen: not brilliantly because of SQL::Abstract limitations
21:02 <@mst> which won't be fixed until I get maint
21:03 <@mst> which should be in the next week or two
21:03 < LTjake> okay -- i'm off; maybe i can hack some of this tonight.
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21:10 < chansen> Writing a fully I18N framework/app in Perl is very time consuming and painful, but doable (I have done it). Most important is collation, numeric and datetime IMO (based on experience) 
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00:23 < Penguin> argh, datetimes!
00:23  * Penguin runs away
00:23 < ash> good move
00:23 < claco> argh penguins!
00:23 < Penguin> argh, stalkers!
00:24 < claco> argh, args!
00:24 < Penguin> argh, !s!
00:25 < claco> 250 days till talk like a pirate day!
00:25 < Penguin> arr, that it be
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00:55 < chansen> DateTime's are funny: YY/MM/DD (sv) DD/MM/YY (da/de) MM/DD/YY (en)
00:56 < claco> highest ranked evil in computers: datetimeszones/codepages/encodings
00:56 < Penguin> only the first two make sense in my head
00:57 < Penguin> most sig. bit first, and least sig. bit first :)
00:57 < Penguin> mst: ops please :)
00:59 < chansen> shows the importance of either ISO 8601 or locale formated date or things can become confusing ;) 
01:00  * Penguin did datetime parsing in asp lately, that was fun :P
01:01 < chansen> C#?
01:01 < Penguin> Session.LCID = 2057  <-- that was so much fun to work out it used british dates :P
01:01 < Penguin> vbscript :(
01:01 < Penguin> with ADO
01:01 < chansen> ic
01:02 < Penguin> not to mention the dates were stored in the db as a TEXT field, because ya know.... that's sane or something
01:02  * Penguin managed to not stab anyone :)
01:03 < chansen> hehe
01:04  * Penguin has become quite found of Time::ParseDate for parsing dates from text fields in perl though :)
01:04 < claco> my fav from work... a field called "VendorPArtNumber:
01:04 < claco> what do you think is in that field?
01:04 < Penguin> er, a number? :)
01:05 < claco> wrong
01:06 < Penguin> heh
01:06 < Penguin> dare I ask?
01:06 < claco> "we don't really use that field...well, sometimes it has the vpn, sometimes is has the prefix, and sometimes if has a number if it's a private label part
01:06 < claco> stab stab stab stab
01:06 < Penguin> ... wtf
01:06 < Penguin> fun :-P
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03:34 <@mst> ph
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12:45 < LTjake> hey chansen.
12:46 < LTjake> are you using reaction at all?
12:57 < chansen> hey LTjake =)
12:57 < chansen> not yet, I have only played with it a bit
12:58 < LTjake> i'm just at that stage myself...
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07:50 < weev> ,--8<-
07:50 < weev> |Sarah jumped down from the truck.  She whirled the heavy equipment off her shoulders and placed it gently on the ground.  Gus handed down a few large boxes, which were lighter, being mostly filled with food. “What do we have this time around?” asked Sarah.  Gus picked up another large box and dropped it into her arms.
07:50 < weev> | “Few cans of salt pok and mutton,” he replied.  He seemed like the archetypal adaventurer, she thought.  Tall, strong, wiry, bearded and wearing a pith helmet.  He even had a British accent, and usually shouldered a rifle on the trails.
07:50 < weev> |She secretly hoped that the natives would provide enough, so they wouldn’t have to eat the bland preserves.  She never ate much, and those canned foods were meant to do little more than keep you full.  She liked to savor the delicacies of other cultures, even if they made the hair of the large men stand up.
07:50 < weev> |“Worst thing that could happen is we get to fry our own desert rats,” she joked.
07:50 < weev> |Gus and Kevin grabbed the tent halves, and began hauling them down off the truck.  Each halve served as a person’s bed and part of the tent.  They would unfold and connect to form a five-by-five cot, with just enough room for two people to bend in the corners.  Kevin was shorter and slighter than Gus, and he hailed from Scotland.
07:50 < weev> |Having built up a sweat, Sarah sat down.  She was used to this kind of work, but she never grew to like it.  Sweat trickled down her neck and soaked her collar.  She wiped it off with her shirt.  She hated these outfits.  They were scratchy, hot and brittle, and a muddy khaki color.  She left her top two buttons open, since it made taking the shirt off a much faster affair, and it clung too much if she didn’t.
07:50 < weev> |Gus stepped down, fanning himself, and sat down with her.  To lighten the load, they left behind their chairs, so they both had to sit down on the hard-packed ground.  It had been the only thing under them for miles; now, there were thick, bushy green brambles that were impossible to traverse in a wheeled vehicle.
07:50 < weev> |“So, we’re just going to take a few pictures, and get out of here?” asked the Brit.
07:50 < weev> |“We’re going to document them.  How they live,” replied Sarah.
07:50 < weev> |“You mean buzz around with a camera while they eat?  Annoy them?”
07:50 < weev> |“They won’t care.  No one else has ever come around here before.”
07:50 < weev> |“Then how do you know they won’t care?”
07:50 < weev> |The desert heat took the debating urge out of her.  She glanced back up at the truck.  Drogba, a gruff Swahili with salt-and-pepper hair, stood outside the truck, banging his fist on it and shouting something.  He stood there for a second, then stepped away as the door opened and a small brunette came out.  She was Mona, the photographer.  Probably wasting the car battery again, thought Sarah.
07:50 < weev> |Drogba was their guide, a grizzled man of the desert who was rightfully curious of his “offshoots”; the primitive men fascinated him, and he did not feel condescended to at all that a group of westerners was coming halfway across the world to study them.  It may have been that he didn’t hold the highest respect for them.
07:51 < weev> |Mona was from Ohio, and she was on an internship from a small private college.  Sarah secretly disliked her, for a variety of minor reasons she wasn’t proud of having.  She was sort of a valley girl, exasperated, and never wanting to do any of the dirty work.  She had a small, girlish face and a thin, delicate body, which gave the impression that she shouldn’t.  All she had done so far was laze off in the air conditioned cab with Kevin.  Sarah saw her skulk 
07:51 < weev> |Kevin finally shut up the truck and locked it.  Everything was out.  Gus got up, and walked over to a cooler on the ground, opened it up, and grabbed a beer.  Kevin grabbed one also.  They looked at each other, opened the beers and began chugging voraciously, foam spilling down their necks.
07:51 < weev> |“Alright!” said Drogba.  “We’re all gonna to set up camp here for the night.”
07:51 < weev> |Gus crinkled the can and tossed it aside, the clear winner.
07:51 < weev> |“I can make it today,” he said.  “Got lots of energy in me.” “Trust me,” replied Drogba, “once yer in there, it’s gonna be a long while before we get anywhere.  There’s no clearing for miles, and we’ll have to keep movin’.  It gets marshy down by the settlements.” “Alright, whatever.  When are the sentries supposed to arrive?” “They’ll be here soon.  Just relax and prepare for tomorrow.”
07:51 < weev> |---
07:51 < weev> |Sarah helped to tie her tent half together with Mona’s.  They had to sleep together, since they were the only women.  Sarah would have much rather spent time with Kevin or Gus, since there was almost nothing to do except talk, and Mona had already plugged her ears with her ipod.
07:51 < weev> | The inside of the tent was eve smaller than it looked, and it was unbelievably hot and stuffy.  Sarah began to peel offl her uncomfortable clothes and throw them in her corner.  She knew it would get cold after sunset, and that she would need them again.  She took a book from her bag and opened it up.
07:51 < weev> | As it got darker, Gus and Kevin began to build a fire. They called her out.  She looked at Mona.  She had already fallen asleep.  Her loss.  Sarah went outside and drew a few stares, realizing on the cool air hitting ther body that she was clad only in her underwear.  It felt very refreshing, and she didn’t feel like fishing the horrible clothing out of her tent.  She sat down across from them and curled up.  Gus cracked open a can of pork and dropped it into
07:51 < weev> | “About five years,” eplied Sarah.  “I really like it.  Most people can’t find a jnob they truly like.” “I like my job,” said Kevin defensively.  “I’m a good shot.  Nothing about this job I can’t do.  I’m not all burly like some others, but eh, it’s lower maintenance.” “Oh, you keep telling yourself that, Kev,” said Gus, jokingly.  “You’re a shrimp.  No more, no less.  And you drink like a magpie.” The meat began to crackle.  
07:51 < weev> | “Ca’t do bette r than that,” said Gus.  “Pork’s behind.  Nice and spicy.”
07:51 < weev> | A short while later, Gus ladled out some of it.  Sarah took a tentative taste.  It asaulted her taste buds, burning her tongue like acid.  It became apparent that Gus had loaded it with spice.  She expected them to laugh at her, but they just minded their own business, eating the pork.  She would have never thought that food from the islest could be so flavorful, but she full well expected it to be this bad.  And typically, it seemed to drop into her belly, fil
07:52 < weev> | Sweat began to pour down her back, soaking her frail unergarments.  She fanned herself hard, and breathed sharply through her teeth, as quietly as possible, so they didn’t notice.  Thankfully, their attention was divertaed by a faint buzzing sound out in the dunes somewhere.  Then there was a rustling in the tent; Drogba had stepped out. “Ah, good, they’re here.  The sentries,” he said,
07:52 < weev> | The buzzing sound grew louder.  Eventually, in the dim moolight, Sarah could make out a fast-moving dune buggy heading toward them.  It halted, sending some dust at them.  The rail doors opened, and two men stepped out.  They were Ttall, imposing and dark.  They wore sunglasses, small red caps, and military-looking uniforms.  Each one carried a long rifle.  Drogba stepped over to them and began to converse with them in Swahili. “They look creepy,” said Gus.
07:52 < weev> | The two sentries nodded smiled, and then stood at the ends of the camp, facing outward, standiwng completely still.  Both were silent. Sarah noticed that there were large flies hovering over the pork.  Their loss, she decided.  Drogba walked over to them. “Be careful,” he said.  “Around here, there are lots of large bugs you people aren’t used to.  You might get a disease.”  He pulled out a can of what looked like bug spray.  “I should have brought 
07:52 < weev> | elvin and Gus stared at each other, then took turns taking off their shirts and applying the spray.  Sarah wiped as much sweat off as she could with her hands, then coated every exposed inch of her frame.  After a short while, the flies dispersed.
07:52 < weev> | Almost half of the awful pork was gone and everyone seemed full enough, so Gus ruffled through his bag and withdrew a plastic leftover container.  Great, iSarah thought.  A few more days of this. By now, she was feeling a bit chilly.  Back in her tent, she curled up in her corner, and rolled up her clothes around her like a blanket.  She could hear Mona’s quite, purring snore.  Everything about that girl annoyed her.  She turned away.
07:52 < weev> | About thirty minutes later, Srah felt Mona’s leg touch hers.  She looked over and saw that she had gradually moved todward the middle of the tent.  Her clothes were in the opposite corner.  She was shivering slightly.  Sarah felt bad, so she reached over and placed Mona’s clothes over her.
07:52 < weev> |---
07:52 < weev> |A bright like awakened Sarah. “Rise and shine,” said Gus, holding up the flap to her tent.  Sarah sat up.  She felt a sweaty and rubbery sensation.  Mona’s leg was draped over hers.  She kicked it off.  Mona awoke with a start, her large, lamplike eyes opening wide, then blinking.
07:52 < weev> | Both of them got dressed and limbed out of the tent.  Kevin and Gus were packing up theirs, and Drogba was shouting or ders to them, as usual.  The two sentries still stood, not far away from where they’d been last night, facing away from them, rifles in hand. “C’mon, help me get our stuff from the tent,” Sarah asked Mona.  She gave her an annoyed look, then picked up her clothes and started tossing them outside.
07:52 < weev> | Shaking the sleep from hereyes, Sarah clothed herself and helped Mona condense everything they’d used liast night into two handy, 45-pound bundles for them.  Out of mercy, Sarah offered to carry the heavy camera equipment, since she doubted Mona’s ability to lift it without damaging her spine.
07:52 < weev> | Drogba, Kevin and Gus led them into the brambles, usng their large knives to cut any that got too high and presented a perceived obstacle for the two ladies.  Sarah thought it seemed like a waste of energy.  Tshe thorny plants were everywhere, though they occasionally cleared up a little, letting her see their designation-a large rock shield-on the horizon.  The trip was exhausting.  Mona kept whining about everything; the sun, the plants, her itchiness, and th
07:53 < weev> | The sun was now at its highest; Sarah thanked God that it wouldn’t get any hotter, or brighter.  The rock face seemed a tiny bit closer, though Sarah knew that at this distance, distance itself was deceiving.
07:53 < weev> | “We really need to stop now,” said Mona.  “My pats are chafing.  My legs are tired and, and I’ve got sand in my eyes and my hair.”  She spun her head to the left, whipping her hair out in attrempt to shake it out.  What good would it do? “Keep walking,” said Gus.  “You don’t want that lactic acid to start settling.” “What the hell is lactic acid?” she asked, indignantly. “It builds up while you move, and then settles when you stop movi
07:53 < weev> | By the time they ee halfway there, Sarah noticed that the ground slopted downward.  She definitely welcomed it.  She could now see that they were on a narrow path, where a shallow canyon, lined with the thick foliage, had formed.
07:53 < weev> | The ground was gradually getting cooler and wetter.  There wre more flies, and little animals skittered around here and there.  The brambles were now merging with softer, leafier plants.  Here and there, there were dry brown patches of grasrs.  The desert trees grew taller and more numerous.  There was now a little of what could be called shade.  Everyone looked a little relieved. “It’s goin’ to get a little swampy,” said Drogba.  “Be careful, because
07:53 -!- mode/#reaction [+b *!*weev@66.70.10.*] by dwc
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07:53 <@dwc> ugh
08:27 <@kaare> What a jerk.
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12:07 <@mst> dwc++
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20:17 < LTjake> mst: okay, after having been distracted i'm back to messing with reaction
20:18 < LTjake> mst: so, if i wanted to add rss/atom stuff, would it be a "renderer" ? -- and since XML::Feed does both RSS and Atom, should i make two different renderers?
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00:01 < LTjake> mst: did you get my message about reaction & feeds?
00:07 <@mst> oh
00:07 <@mst> yes, then forgot to reply :(
00:09 <@mst> LTjake: I'm trying to figure out how this goes
00:09 < LTjake> no worries.
00:09 <@mst> I'm thinking what you'd likely have is a View::RSS and View::Atom that can handle Renderer::XML::Feed objects
00:10 <@mst> I'm planning to add some view stuff shortly
00:10 < LTjake> makes sense.
00:10 <@mst> so you have View, Renderer, Layout
00:11 <@mst> the current approach was a quick hack while I had a pitched battle with everything else :)
00:11 < LTjake> probably a little bit of config in View::Atom to say that Renderer::XML::Feed should output atom, no?
00:13 <@mst> right
00:18 < LTjake> what's the layout part?
00:18 < LTjake> (again, pardon the dumb questions :)
00:19 <@mst> basically objects that provide part of the display logic
00:20 <@mst> so the templates can be even more 'just templates'
00:20 < LTjake> gotcha.
00:24 <@mst> for a feed renderer, a layout would probably define what methods to call to populate the feed
00:24 <@mst> LTjake: hang on, XML::Feed is a parser only isn't it?
00:24 < LTjake> nope.
00:25 < LTjake> you can create & serialize too.
00:25 <@mst> right
00:25 <@mst> "XML::Feed is a syndication feed parser for both RSS and Atom feeds. It also implements feed auto-discovery for finding feeds, given a URI."
00:25 <@mst> suggested it didn't, then I read on :)
00:25 < LTjake> it wasn't originally.
00:26 <@mst> ahh
00:31 <@jshirley> mst: you want to throw together a rough relation writeup and I'll prettify it and make some flow charts or something?
00:32 <@jshirley> Reaction... it's like MVC, if each of those letters were like Voltron!
00:33 <@konobi> omnigraffle++
00:33 <@jshirley> OSX whores.
00:34 <@jshirley> Actually it does look pretty slick...
00:34 <@jshirley> Given that I'd likely flip out and throw my (wife's) mac out the window, I should probably stick to visio.
00:43 <@konobi> mst: any input on doing that nested test thing... ?
00:43 <@mst> what nested test thing?
00:46 <@konobi> cross between Test::Class and Module::Pluggable
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03:38 < dec> hello :)
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07:38 < LordArthas[home]> mornin'
07:47 < chansen> morning
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11:52 <@Penguin> ARGH
11:52 <@Penguin> yeah, it's morning
11:52  * Penguin was awoken by a phone call asking where he was and wanting money - always fun :P
11:53 < castaway> lovely
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03:33 < dec> WOW
03:33 < dec> I have absolutely no idea how Reaction works.
03:33 < dec> :)
03:34 <@Penguin> w00t
03:34 < dec> I was hoping there'd be more pod in lib/Reaction/Manual/* :)
03:36 < dec> I just want to use the CRUDController easily and NOW
03:36 < dec> :(
03:36 <@Penguin> poke around in component for an example?
03:36 <@Penguin> kaare et al: how comes the documentation? :)
03:37 < dec> I'm trying, but I just don't grok it.
03:37 < dec> without some basic level of 'this is what reaction does', trying to use it is useless :)
03:37 <@Penguin> suspect my brain is too broken to explain it atm :(
03:38 <@Penguin> How is your understanding of Moose?
03:38 < dec> non-existant. :)
03:38 <@Penguin> oh :-P
03:38 < dec> ... which is not helping me understand how Reaction works..
03:38 <@Penguin> reaction = catalyst + DBIC + Moose + TT + mst's brain
03:38 <@Penguin> ish :-P
03:39 < dec> I see....
03:39 < dec> to be honest, the time it'll take to learn how on earth any of this will work
03:39 <@Penguin> thoug basically the CRUDcontroller would normally be used to quickly create a list view for a table, with create/edit/delete actions with minimal coding
03:40 < dec> that's exactly what i want
03:40 < dec> but my time seems to be better spent doing that manually
03:40 < dec> than letting a controller i do not understand do it for me
03:40 <@Penguin>  ideally we need a howto guide to reactionify cat projects :(
03:40 < dec> yes :)
03:41 <@Penguin> it's in mst's brain somewhere :
03:41 <@Penguin> :P
03:41 <@Penguin> probably my brain by now too actually
03:41 < dec> so lets get it out!
03:41  * dec grabs a drill
03:41 <@Penguin> :-D
03:42 <@Penguin> just make sure you don't let the vbscript out too!
03:42  * Penguin handwaves at declaring field types in the dbic schema using moose and then reaction reflects them to magically spawn the controllers
03:43  * Penguin handwaves at the sub-classing TT UI widget system too for customising how it looks :) which takes a bit of getting used to
03:44  * Penguin also handwaves it being almost 4am here :P
03:44 <@Penguin> one good thing though is that you can have reaction and non-reaction pages in the same cat app.
03:45 <@Penguin> typically reaction is best for admin interfaces
03:47 < dec> which is what i'm trying to do :P
03:48 <@Penguin> how much of the cat app have you  created so far already?
03:48  * Penguin would tend to suggest you look at the DBIC schema of compentui, specifically the "has ..." lines at the top - that is the moosey part
03:49 <@Penguin> oh, and how is your understanding of Chained?
03:52 < dec> i grok the concept but not 100% on the actual interface
03:53 <@Penguin> right, as that's another thing which reaction makes a fair bit of use of
03:53 <@Penguin> I mostly learnt it by trial and error to some extent :P
03:53 < dec> basically this is a brand new application which I want to deploy rather quickly
03:54 < dec> but the whole application is basically just CRUD
03:54 <@Penguin> how complex is the db?
03:54 < dec> not very
03:54  * Penguin can probably walk you through setting up a basic reaction app from it at some point
03:54 < dec> that'd be appreciated :P
03:54 <@Penguin> though not tonight :P
03:54 < dec> nah
03:54 < dec> i'm going to play around with it myself
03:55 < dec> see how i go
03:55  * Penguin nods
03:55 <@Penguin> I'd also suggest you have a look at moose type constraints at some point too, as they are used for validation
03:56 <@Penguin> though reaction adds some more of it's own - one of them being StrongPassword, which is a non-empty simple str between 4 and 255 chars with at least one non-alpha character
03:56 <@Penguin> or something like that :-P
03:56 <@Penguin> a Str being a, erm, string, a SimpleStr containing no newlines and no more than 255 chars, etc.
03:57  * Penguin handwaves at sub-classing of type constraints
03:57 <@Penguin> in your schema you'd then define that such and such db field is a such and such type, and whether it's required or not
03:57 <@Penguin> that make sense? :)
03:58 <@Penguin> Reaction::Types::* has the ones reaction adds and Moose::Util::TypeConstraints are the default Moose ones
03:59 <@Penguin> typically a VARCHAR would be a SimpleStr, which is rendered as a textfield widget
03:59 <@Penguin> etc
03:59 < dec> Yep, makes sense, i'm reading the ComponentUI TestDB example
03:59 <@Penguin> good good :)
04:00 <@Penguin> need some kind of big chart for types in reaction too :-S along with suggested SQL field types they go with
04:04 < dec> yep
04:04 < dec> ok Reaction::Manual::Intro spells out five layers.
04:04 < dec> Domain model = dbic schema, which is my basic dbic schema
04:05 < dec> interface model = Model::DBIC::Schema + Action classes, which is bascially DBIC schema plus Moose stuff..
04:05 <@Penguin> that may change in the near future when mst spawns the layout layer :)
04:05 <@Penguin> aye
04:05 < dec> Controller = normal controller
04:05 < dec> ViewPort = mediator between data and view
04:05 < dec> Renderer = the actual view:: class, eg normal TT renderer
04:06 < dec> so the ViewPort takes the data from the controller and coerces it into something that the Renderer can then display?
04:06 <@Penguin> aye
04:07 <@Penguin> typicall a page would be made up of many viewports on a stack of sorts
04:07 < dec> oh ok
04:07 <@Penguin> so you'd have a xhtml viewport, a table viewport, a viewport for each row... for instance
04:07 <@Penguin> for a listview
04:08 <@Penguin> or a xhtml vp, actionform vp, then vps for each of the fields for an edit screen
04:08 <@Penguin> in the end the plan is to be able to use ajax magic to only render a certain vp rather than the whole page for instance
04:08 <@Penguin> bolting together reaction and dojo is on the cosmic to do list :)
04:09 <@Penguin> A simpler use of vps beyond the example would just be to have multiple listviews of different tables on the same page
04:10  * Penguin gestures to commands in the example which push a vp onto the stack
04:11 <@Penguin> the TT templates themselves are a bit wierd :-P
04:12 <@Penguin> the reaction XHTML view is basically a regular TT view with a few settings changed though
04:18 <@Penguin> now I sleep though, nite nite &
04:19 < dec> nite, thanks for the teachings :)
04:19 <@Penguin> have fun :)
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06:09 < kaare> Penguin: I don't have the time right now. Surprise, surprise.
06:10 < kaare> But I could use some comments, help, etc
06:11 < kaare> And I realy have no idea about the view-part. Tangents? Viewports? Focus Stacks?
06:12 < kaare> Anyway, I gather that matt will redesign that part of reaction.
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09:17 <@mst> kaare: that part isn't going to be massively changed
09:17 <@mst> kaare: the layout layer will separate out some stuff from the templates but I'm mostly happy with the vp/stack stuff so far
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11:02 < sosko> hi
11:04 < sosko> i was trying to find link to reaction, without coming over to irc, and had a very hard time doing it - in other words, i wasn't able to find reaction repository by following catalyst tail
11:04 < sosko> :)
11:05 < sosko> i guess i wasn't looking well enough, etc
11:08 <@quicksilver> if you ask purl in #catalyst he'd tell you some links
11:08 <@quicksilver> not sure why purl isn't here
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11:35 < sosko> trym|work \o
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12:19 < kaare> Reaction is only for a select few.
12:20 < kaare> OK, mst. Still I think I need some help when (if) ever I get the time to get into the view thing.
12:20 < kaare> Enough to finish the TODO at least.
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15:38 < ank> thought i'd take a look at the state of things :)
15:38 < ank> mst:  matthewt: WARNING WARNING DANGER WILL ROBINSON   <3
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18:35  * Penguin points Jmax to the topic :)
18:35 -!- mode/#reaction [+v shadowpaste] by Penguin
18:39 < Jmax> cool :)
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00:23 <@groditi> mst: whats the idea behing InterfaceModel?
00:24 <@groditi> god. some of this stuff I really like. maybei hsould just compromise instead of writting my own thing
00:25 <@mst> patches to transfer any RHTMLO features you feel would be useful very welcome.
00:26 <@groditi> thats really what iam htinking of doing right now. its got to be easier than reimplementing 100%
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00:36 <@groditi> mst: what the hell is action form and where is it?
00:37 <@groditi> nm
00:37 <@groditi> i found it
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14:34  * castaway pounces on mst
14:36  * mst purrs
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17:21 < groditi> mst: is the primary reaction repo code2.0beta.co.uk/reaction/svn ?
17:21 <@mst> yes
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17:38 < groditi> mst: I BLAME YOU FOR EVERYTHING. REACTION MAKES MY FUCKING EMACS COREDUMP
17:38 < groditi> ahem
17:38  * groditi looks around
17:40 <@mst> groditi: syntax highlighting not happy?
17:41 <@quicksilver> groditi: getabetteremacs
17:41 < groditi> i dont know. it just core dumps repeatedly. i figured time for an upgrade. hello make install clean
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17:45 < groditi> mst: so anyways. refresher from last night. override register_action Controller or in the individual actions ?
17:46 < groditi> i'm going to hack on this one all day, but i'd like some feedback before i go all into it because, like i said yesterday, catalyst core is not my strongest subject
17:46 <@mst> yeah
17:48 < groditi> mst and are we loading actions at compile time vi with or should i just take the plunge and attempt to load them at runtime with load_plugin ?
17:50 <@mst> compile time to begin with
17:51 <@mst> I think overriding _action_cache is good
17:52 <@mst> have a common role that can be with'ed
17:52 <@mst> that does that
17:52 <@mst> and then have that requires() a method which i called by that around
17:53 <@mst> in a BUILD stylee
17:53 < groditi> where does _action_cache come in. I'm looking at trunk Catlayst::Controller ATM
17:53 <@mst> Catalyst::AttrContainer
17:54 <@mst> but it's where the attrs are stored
17:54 <@mst> so you wrap that for get, you emulate attrs
17:54 <@mst> thus avoiding us having to deal with the annoying twatting pieces ofshit
17:59 < groditi> mst: so i am wapping _action_cache() to merge into the role datainto the arrayref, and probably have to do it aswell for _attr_cache,  no?
18:10 < groditi> mst: i don't think we even need to extend register_actions if we override _action_cache
18:11 <@mst> exactly
18:11 < groditi> that does lock us into compile time though
18:11 < groditi> which is fine with me
18:12 < groditi> but i'll miss ExtensionFor::
18:12 <@mst> heh
18:12 <@mst> you started finding that useful then?
18:12 < groditi> all over the fucking place. i already see plaes where it'd be useful.
18:12 <@mst> can't your pluggable stuff handle compile-time, anyway?
18:12 <@mst> you could compose the role traight onto the class
18:13 < groditi> like for Create.pm  Update::ExtensionFor::Create (add the register call back)
18:13 < groditi> mst: na. i rely heavily on runtime. i basiclaly rewrote with to be comiletime safe
18:14 < groditi> but i could just override with to do ExtensionFOr
18:14 <@mst> err
18:14 < groditi> that wouldn't really be hard at all
18:14 <@mst> I want it to be compile-time as well
18:14 <@mst> it really really needs to work on classes as well asobjects
18:15 < groditi> hmm. its designed to be instance-based from step A though
18:15 < groditi> MooseX::INstance::Pluggable and MooseX::Class::Pluggable seem to come into mind all of a suddenb
18:16 < groditi> hacking 'with' will give you compiletime though
18:16 < groditi> but then it couldn't be loaded as a role itself
18:18 <@mst> nooo
18:18 <@mst> roles already apply to objects
18:18 <@mst> there is -no- reason for the code to care!
18:19 <@mst> it shouldn't need to be 'designed to be' either-based
18:19 < groditi> mst: have you seen the code? the only reason I am tied to runtime is the uses of anonclasses to consume the roles
18:19 <@mst> erm
18:19 <@mst> Role->apply($obj) creates the anon class itself ...
18:19 < groditi> but then you lose the original value of $self->blessed
18:20 <@mst> eh?
18:20 < groditi> mst: you end up losing the original value of the class name. you describe how it worked initially
18:21 <@mst> erm
18:21 <@mst> just find the first superclass that isn't an anon class
18:21 <@mst> presto
18:21 <@mst> what's the problem?
18:21 < groditi> ->superclasses returns ONLY anonclasses and Moose::Object from my tests with it
18:22 <@mst> ...
18:22 <@mst> are you retarded?
18:23 <@mst> http://search.cpan.org/dist/Class-MOP/lib/Class/MOP/Class.pm#Inheritance_Relationships
18:23 < groditi> oh fuck.
18:23 <@mst> there's two methods in that section
18:23 <@mst> :)
18:23 < groditi> my stomach hurts all of  sudden
18:24 < groditi> it still sucks that you can't easly find out the name of your original class though
18:24 < groditi> well i guess you can
18:24 < groditi> let me branch and run the tests
18:24 <@mst> ;)
18:26 < groditi> mst: this fixes the around bug as well because it makes plugins apply vertically instead of horizontally
18:26  * mst grins
18:26 < groditi> when consumed by the anon class they'd apply horizontally, but the multiple wrap arounds will create a vertical line
18:27 <@mst> not at compile time though
18:27 <@mst> but that's consistent with Moose anyway
18:29 <@mst> right, I'm off for gaming, back later &
18:31  * quicksilver wonders what kind of games an mst plays
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22:25 <@Penguin> dec: how goeth your reaction understanding?
22:26 < dec> same as it was last time we spoke. :)
22:26 < dec> (haven't had a chance to play)
22:26 <@Penguin> ahh
22:26 <@Penguin> (haven't had a chance to make docs :P)
22:26 < dec> Haha
22:28 <@Penguin> hell isn't quite frozen over, but it does seem quite windswept here now :-P
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01:27 <@Penguin> hrm
01:28 <@mst> hrm?
01:28 <@Penguin> how do I add an extra bit to the list method of a crudcontroller? 
01:28 <@Penguin> after 'list' => sub {
01:28 <@Penguin>   my $orig = shift;
01:28 <@Penguin>   warn "foo\n";
01:28 <@Penguin> };
01:28 <@Penguin> loves me not
01:28 <@Penguin> :(
01:29  * Penguin resists the urge to kick himself for pasting
01:29 <@mst> it should work fine
01:29 <@Penguin> for me it dies saying that module doesn't return a true value
01:29 <@mst> oh
01:29 <@mst> no 1; after?
01:30 <@Penguin> 1; is the very last line of the file :-S
01:30 <@Penguin> it starts up fine when I comment out those 4 lines
01:51 < shadowpaste> "Penguin" at 80.192.177.212 pasted "Picture/Web/Controller/Admin/Link.pm did not return a true value at (eval 457) line 3." (34 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8001/6235
01:52 <@Penguin> on that note I &
01:53 <@mst> Penguin: not in class ... which { ... }; block
01:53  * Penguin fg
01:54 <@Penguin> ahhhhhhhhh
01:54 <@mst> that might help
01:54 <@mst> unsure
01:56 <@Penguin> sticking class Link is 'Reaction::UI::CRUDController', which { and } around the after block didn't seem to help
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02:00 <@Penguin> right, sleep again &
02:01 <@mst> aye
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12:47  * castaway ponders..
12:47 < castaway> do I want to poke at reaction?
12:50 < kd> depends how much you want to bootstrap the docs?
12:51 < kd> question is the api stable yet?
12:55 <@quicksilver> insofar as mst has deployed it on several production sites (I believe)
12:55 <@quicksilver> I should think there is some stability
12:56 < castaway> kd: apparently
13:11  * castaway looks at http://www.jasonic.dk/reaction.html
13:11 < castaway> .. whats "link to DCME" ?
13:11 < castaway> oh, Manual::Example?
13:12 < castaway> Penguin: wakeup!
13:24 <@Penguin> rargh!
13:24 < castaway> woo, life
13:25 <@Penguin> nah, just spasms
13:25 <@Penguin> and trapped gas
13:25 <@Penguin> DCME is DBIx::Class::Manual::Example
13:26 < castaway> ok, thunk so
13:26 < castaway> any magic for creating those moosy schema files by guessing the types from the data_types ?
13:28 <@Penguin> personally I use vim :-P
13:28 < castaway> .. also, I assume required => 1 means "insist the user fills in this field" .. what if its only required sometimes?
13:28 <@Penguin> also they are not automated yet :(
13:28 <@Penguin> s/also/alas/
13:29 < castaway> for eg: we required the state if the country is US/Australia/Canada, which have dropdown region lists, but not for other countries
13:29 < castaway> dropdown state lists that is
13:29 <@Penguin> required => 1 means it'll dislay a message to the right of the field if it's not filled in, and you can't proceed until it is
13:29 <@Penguin> hrm, good question!
13:29 < castaway> Penguin: I always have those ;)
13:30 <@Penguin> closest I've done is a county list for england/scotland/wales/ireland - but I just made one giant dropdown of pain for it :-P
13:31 <@Penguin> not sure how to do it your better way in reaction offhand, make a note of it and ask me/mst later :)
13:31 < castaway> hmm, no idea what those Model::Action thingies are for
13:31 <@Penguin> Model::Action itself would normally include the commands for reflecting the db schema for the controllers
13:32 < castaway> whatever that means ;)
13:32 < castaway> any other docs about?
13:32 <@mst> kd: I'm not promising 100% compat but I'm not going to break it gratuitously either
13:32 <@Penguin> Model::Action::Foo and such is where you can have chunks of logic to modifying the db, e.g. in my current project I have ::MoveUp and ::MoveDown which will be hooked up to DBIx::Ordered somehow in the end
13:33 <@Penguin> castaway: basically it's the glue which links the db fields to what the crudcontrollers spit out :) I handwave at the example in compentui
13:33 < castaway> hmm.. why isnt that just in the db schema? (so that other interfaces can use it?)
13:33 <@mst> why isn't -what- in the db schema?
13:34 < castaway> "chunks of logic for modifying the db" ;)
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13:34 < castaway> just trying to figure out the difference / existance reason
13:34 <@mst> ->update is in the DB
13:34  * Penguin handwaves at extra layers and will let mst explain as I'm barely awake :P
13:34 <@mst> RegisterUser is in th interface model
13:35 <@mst> and I dunno wtf you mean about 'other interfaces can use it'
13:35 <@mst> it's a bloody object, there's nothing to stop you making one
13:35 <@mst> in fact funnily enough, that's what the CRUDController does :)
13:35 < castaway> so "use Reaction::Class" doesnt tie it to Cat? Note, all Im looking at is the url above at the moment, not any actual code
13:36 <@Penguin> also see the /docs dir and Reaction::Manual::* - which is almost, but not quite, empty :P
13:36 <@mst> castaway: well, currently it's one big dist so you'd need Catalyst installed as a dep
13:36 <@Penguin> docs dir in the checkout I mean, not at that url
13:36 <@mst> but there's no reason you have to -load- Cat :)
13:37  * Penguin foresees in the future that Reaction may only have Cat as an optional dep or somesuch... maybe
13:37 < castaway> by "other interfaces" I mean, for eg. a command-line script to add users, instead of the web interface
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13:40 < castaway> Penguin: your svn commitlog entries need improving ;)
13:40 <@mst> castaway: yes, I know you meant that
13:41 <@mst> castaway: ClassName->new() is not Cat-specific :)
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13:41 <@Penguin> castaway: highly likely :-P
13:41 < castaway> true
13:42 < castaway> I was just trying to understand the difference between Model::Action, and writing methods in my DBIC schema files.
13:42  * Penguin tends to make extension use of diffs when seeing what his commits were actually _for_
13:42 < castaway> Penguin: naughty ;)
13:43 < castaway> hmm, viewing FAQ.txt file via svnweb doesnt wrap long lines :(
13:43 <@Penguin>  :(
13:43 <@mst> castaway: InterfaceModel is a different layer
13:43 <@mst> castaway: what's the difference between adding a DBIC class and just writing a method that uses DBI?
13:43 <@mst> :)
13:43 <@Penguin> argh FAQ.txt wraps at 120 chars - maybe I should fix that to 80 :-P
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13:44 < castaway> s/differnce/advantage/ ?
13:44 < castaway> Penguin: that, or fix svnweb ;)
13:44 <@mst> consider an Action object to be a first-class message that already knows its invocant
13:44 <@Penguin> I tend to think of the InterfaceFace model as higher level and a bit more abstract
13:44 < castaway> mst: thanks 
13:44 <@Penguin> s/Face//
13:44 < castaway> mst: any comment on the "required" question ? ;)
13:45 <@Penguin> castaway: no clue how svnweb works ;-P and people will no doubt complain it doesn't wrap nicely elsewhere too
13:45 < castaway> well, editors have settings for that
13:45 <@mst> castaway: what required question?
13:45 <@Penguin> castaway: true
13:46 < castaway> mst: Looking at the moosifying of dbic schema classes, the example says "required => 1' .. which is assumedly for the validator .. what about fields that are only sometimes required ..eg based on other fields
13:46 < castaway> leave at 0 and diy elsewhere?
13:47 < castaway> Penguin: hmm, the whole thing is in a pre class="code-block" ..
13:47 <@mst> castaway: err, that's a meta-attr thing, it means 'this attribute is absolutely required'
13:48 <@mst> if it's only sometimes required, I'd either have multiple classes and rebless
13:49 <@mst> or override the 'is this ok' check
13:50  * castaway nods
13:51  * Penguin commits a slightly better wrapped FAQ.txt
13:52  * castaway gives up trawling the css to see what its doing
13:53 < castaway> ooh ta Penguin 
13:54 <@Penguin> :)
13:58 < castaway> hmm, ran out of time for poking.. elunchtimetooshort
13:59 <@Penguin>  :(
14:00 < castaway> nice faq intro, then it kinda tails off ;)
14:00 <@Penguin> egotdistractedbyprettythingswhichwerentdocs
14:00  * castaway grins
14:01 < castaway> hohum, back to grind (yawn)
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14:57 < eugene> reaction is built on top of catalyst or they're not connected?
14:59 <@quicksilver> it's built on top of catalyst
14:59 <@quicksilver> it's 'all the things mst finds he needs in most projects which catalyst doesn't have'
14:59 <@quicksilver> or something like that
15:00 < eugene> thanks quick
15:35 <@Penguin> plus some things which I found useful for templating :)
15:46 <@mst> eugene: I still love Catalyst. I'm still on the core team.
15:46 <@mst> eugene: but Catalyst is a meta-framework, pretty much, you can build whatever architecture you like on top of it
15:46 <@mst> this is -my- dream architecture-on-top-of-it
15:46 <@mst> or will be eventually :)
15:47 < castaway> "mst Has a Dream" ..
15:47 <@Penguin> whereas I've just been having dreams about it due to staring at it too much :-P
15:59 < eugene> mst: can i delete a child element in Class::XML?
16:01 < eugene> prolly you forgot already is you looked at it a year ago
16:01 < eugene> if*
16:05 < eugene> yes it can. nm
16:06  * mst grins
16:06 <@mst> it worked well enough
16:06 <@mst> oh, if you look in the bast repo
16:06 <@mst> there's a half-wrriten XSLT implementation using it
16:06 <@mst> that should give you some hints, was probably the best code I wrote using it
16:06 < eugene> thanks again
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19:41 < groditi> anyone here actually using reaction ?
20:30 < kd> question is the api stable yet?
20:30 < kd> oops, sorry
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21:21  * Penguin is using reaction in several apps for clients
21:22 < groditi> Penguin: have you made progress? i am startingto use it but iam running into problems already
21:22 < groditi> with the CRUD controller mostly
21:22 <@Penguin> there's one bit I'm stick on so far :)
21:23 <@Penguin> which is with the crudcontroller too actually
21:24 <@Penguin> what are you having difficulty with specifically?
21:24 < groditi> yeah, It works fine for e until I try to have it do some automagic things that are pretty simple.. like say  has "somefield" ..... default => sub{DateTime->now}
21:24 < groditi> required fields that I'd like to have auto filled. its kind of retarded
21:25 <@Penguin> can't you set the default value for date fields as NOW() or similar in the DBIC field at least?
21:26 <@Penguin> (though I know that doesn't answer the question generally :P)
21:26 < groditi> eh
21:27 < groditi> thats just an example. i need to do that for a lot of things
21:28 <@Penguin> one option is to pre-fill the fields by messing with the templates for the forms, another would be to perhaps override the insert/update methods in the schema to set the value if it's not already set
21:29 <@Penguin> so you'd have something like:
21:29 <@Penguin> sub insert { my $self = shift; $self->fieldname(x+y+z*whatever); $self->next::method(@_); }
21:30 <@Penguin> as a method in your schema file for that particular table
21:30 < groditi> i think it has to do with my m2m rels
21:30 < groditi> do you need to have a display_name{}  method?
21:30 <@Penguin> m2ms hurt my brain :(
21:30 < groditi> m2ms are the only thing that matters to me
21:31 <@Penguin> the display_name is the value that is shown on the forms and in listviews when dealing with rels
21:32 <@Penguin> typically I'd have something like  sub display_name { my $self = shift; $self->id.' '.$self->name; }
21:32 <@Penguin> ish
21:32 <@Penguin> or just sub display_name { shift->id; }
21:32 < groditi> that would have been nice to know
21:33 <@Penguin> one day I'll write more docs ;(
21:34 <@Penguin> typically the display_name is what gets displayed in the listboxes for crudcontrollers when dealing with rels
21:35 < groditi> yeah
21:38 < groditi> there's still a lot of rough edges
21:38 < groditi> like specifying a default value to the object should be reflected on create forms
21:39 <@Penguin> it's early alpha and not on cpan yet :)
21:39 <@Penguin> however that is something that sounds quite useful
21:39 < groditi> yeah but mst pushes it like itsprod quality
21:39 <@Penguin> It is usable in production imo
21:40 < groditi> do you know where the code that translates this stufff lives? i can hack out that bit
21:40 <@Penguin> the code that translates the moose stuff from the dbic schema into create forms?
21:41 < groditi> yeah
21:42 <@Penguin> Reaction::InterfaceModel::Action::DBIC::ActionReflector or there abouts
21:43 <@Penguin> which hooks into Reaction::UI::ViewPort::ActionForm for actually creating the form widgets
21:44 <@Penguin> Are you familar with Moose already?
21:45 < groditi> oh yeah
21:45 < groditi> way too much for my liking
21:45 < groditi> L<MooseX::Object::Pluggable>
21:45 <@Penguin> :-D
21:45  * groditi smokes
21:46 <@Penguin> oooh, not looked at that before
21:47 <@Penguin> You may also fancy a look at reaction::class itself for some dark magic from inside mst's head :)
21:57 < groditi> Penguin: Reaction::Class is beyond black magic
21:57 < groditi> i'm not touching it
21:59 <@Penguin> hehe
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22:33 < jshirley> Penguin
22:35 < groditi> Penguin: damn. this little tid bit.. not so simple. this is a lot of fucking code in here
22:35 < groditi> i dont knowwhat ot all does. but theres a whole shitload of it
22:35 <@Penguin> indeed :-S
22:35 <@Penguin> we've spent somewhat more time on code than docs in recent months
22:36 < groditi> ugh it has to be something in  Field::DateTime
22:38 <@Penguin> that's mostly parsing datetime strings IIRC
22:38 < groditi> Penguin: is there anywhere where i can grab the object?
22:38 <@Penguin> which object?
22:39 < groditi> the data object? so i can even see if my default => sub{DateTime->new} is happening?
22:39  * Penguin ponders
22:39 < groditi> because if the Object is C<new> and no created_d is given to the constructor then it should fall backto default =>
22:40 < groditi> but this is for some reason in the Schema::Users class, where i'm not sure it should be
22:40 < groditi> i mean i know its wher reaction puts it. but i question that decission
22:40 <@Penguin> maybe poke around in VP::Actionform? however I'm not sure offhand, you'd probably have to talk to mst
22:41 < groditi> thats where i am poking
22:41 < groditi> mst: WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU? YOU BETTER BE COMMENTING YOUR HUMONGOUS FUCKING FRAMEWORK
22:41  * groditi looks around
22:42 <@Penguin> ah, dunno then :(
22:42 <@Penguin> I don't hear any chainsaws... he must be AFK
22:42 < groditi> yeah till midnight his time
22:42 < groditi> which i guessi s 6 or 7 my time
22:43 <@Penguin> it's about 10:40pm his time atm
22:43 < groditi> so 7 mine
22:43 <@Penguin> aye
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00:04 < groditi> Penguin : I found my issue. kind of
00:04 < groditi> my default=> is never happening
00:04 < groditi> i have a feeling it hasto do with set_or_lazy_builf
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00:48 < groditi> Penguin: ping
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09:55 < castaway> hmm, seeing as I have a free day in bed.. is attempting to look at reaction going to make my head ache more?
09:55 < zamolxes> yes
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09:58 < castaway> heh
09:58 < castaway> you using it?
09:58  * castaway reads backlog
09:59 < zamolxes> if I were using it I would have said 'no, its easy'
09:59 < castaway> giving groditis reactions (heh), I doubt it ;)